Rachel Abrams

So Dr. Carpenter's strategy is essentially trust the SHIELD law and ignore what's happening in Texas. So what is Texas's strategy to get her to pay the fine?

So Dr. Carpenter's strategy is essentially trust the SHIELD law and ignore what's happening in Texas. So what is Texas's strategy to get her to pay the fine?

Wait, I'm a little surprised to hear that a local clerk would know about this law and also be able to like unilaterally stand up to a judgment like this. Should I be surprised or is that just ignorance on my part?

Wait, I'm a little surprised to hear that a local clerk would know about this law and also be able to like unilaterally stand up to a judgment like this. Should I be surprised or is that just ignorance on my part?

And what about the other case against Dr. Carpenter that you mentioned? What's that one about?

And what about the other case against Dr. Carpenter that you mentioned? What's that one about?

Which, as you've told us, is going to be hard to execute from a blue state that has a shield law.

Which, as you've told us, is going to be hard to execute from a blue state that has a shield law.

I actually want to ask you about that shot across the bow thing because I'm really curious how people in the abortion access space are interpreting what's happening with these two cases. Because in both of them, it feels like at least for now, New York shield law is kind of standing in the way of Texas and Louisiana prevailing. But...

I actually want to ask you about that shot across the bow thing because I'm really curious how people in the abortion access space are interpreting what's happening with these two cases. Because in both of them, it feels like at least for now, New York shield law is kind of standing in the way of Texas and Louisiana prevailing. But...

As you've said, the anti-abortion activists are trying to use these cases to challenge the shield law in New York. And so I'm curious, what is the next step for Texas and Louisiana to potentially continue to challenge this?

As you've said, the anti-abortion activists are trying to use these cases to challenge the shield law in New York. And so I'm curious, what is the next step for Texas and Louisiana to potentially continue to challenge this?

On what basis will the red states even try to challenge these laws?

On what basis will the red states even try to challenge these laws?

I mean, I understand that, right? Because the alternative would probably be chaos. Like if states could just pick and choose what other states' laws they were going to respect. So I do wonder, what do blue states say in response to that?

I mean, I understand that, right? Because the alternative would probably be chaos. Like if states could just pick and choose what other states' laws they were going to respect. So I do wonder, what do blue states say in response to that?

I realize that shield laws are not at the Supreme Court yet, and they would take a really long time to wind their way there. But if they do make it in front of SCOTUS, and if SCOTUS does decide that shield laws are unconstitutional, I wonder what happens to Dr. Carpenter. And I also wonder what happens to abortion just generally across the country.

I realize that shield laws are not at the Supreme Court yet, and they would take a really long time to wind their way there. But if they do make it in front of SCOTUS, and if SCOTUS does decide that shield laws are unconstitutional, I wonder what happens to Dr. Carpenter. And I also wonder what happens to abortion just generally across the country.

Pam, when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, part of the idea at the time was that they would just send back to the states this decision about how to handle abortion. So if states wanted it to be legal, they could make it legal. If they didn't want it to be legal, that was up to them. And that would settle it, was the thinking. And you do have a patchwork of laws as a result.

Pam, when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, part of the idea at the time was that they would just send back to the states this decision about how to handle abortion. So if states wanted it to be legal, they could make it legal. If they didn't want it to be legal, that was up to them. And that would settle it, was the thinking. And you do have a patchwork of laws as a result.