Rachel Carlson

And that's how I ended up talking to two people who've been disagreeing with each other for almost 45 years.

Jeannie Safer is a psychoanalyst.

She's liberal.

And she's married to Richard Bruckheiser, a conservative Republican who works for the National Review.

I asked them how they met.

Absolutely.

And they told me they sang with this group for like six hours every single week.

So they were spending so much time together.

They eventually got married.

And when they first got married, they talked through and ultimately disagreed on a lot of things.

They said there have only been a few times where they voted for the same people.

And over time, they've set some boundaries with each other.

This was so striking to me, Emily.

Like, they're really reflective about each other's opinions and about each other as people in general.

But we also were able to join each other's worlds.

And this joining of worlds was proof that these kinds of conversations can happen.

Yeah.

Jeannie and Richard have been married for a really long time, and they have so much mutual respect for one another.

That's a really key baseline component of these conversations, and it's not a given for everyone you meet.

It's not easy, but we're going to try to work through it.