Rafael Bostic

It's a sign that they might have other strategies that can work.

So I pushed back on that in that interview.

Yeah, you did.

Look, I think we are seeing a lot of turbulence, right?

And it is hard to know for sure what it means for the long run trajectory of this economy.

calm down, it'll be all right.

So look, we have a lot of, we have geopolitical stuff going on.

We have a lot of uncertainty around the tariffs and what it means.

We have AI that is, you see headlines all the time about the,

the potential for it to disrupt.

You see all the things around immigration and the fear that is in many of these communities about can you go to work or can kids go to school.

There are a lot of things going on.

That's the turbulence.

That is the reality that I think everyone sees.

That's pretty straightforward.

But what is not straightforward is the question of what you're going to do

In my lifetime, we've not had this series of things all happening at the same time.

So the models that we're going to use, I don't have confidence they're going to be super helpful in predicting where we're going to be moving forward.

So I've got to talk to the people who are making the decisions that will determine where we are, how we're going to move forward, and then try to glean things out of that.

That's a lot of work.