Rainn Wilson

I'm going to be really honest with you.

I know I don't look it.

I'm 57 years old.

You look great, man.

48, 49?

is when that started.

When I was really able to put into practice some of the spiritual guidance that I had been studying, some of the therapeutic and positive psychology studies that I'd been studying.

And for those, and I want to say for those watching at home,

Um, that might have a problem with spirituality or God or religion.

And, and first of all, spirituality and religion are totally separate thing, not totally separate, but they are separate things.

Then that's fine.

Put that aside.

And there's a wonderful, uh, reservoir of information that you have drawn on, on all 1400 of your episodes from the positive psychology movement.

And so positive psychology always arrives at the same data points that

ancient wisdom from faith traditions arrives at goes through a different way but one you can learn a great deal from following um uh what you know great teachers you know like you know

Jonathan Haidt has The Happiness Hypothesis and so many great books on happiness and podcasts on happiness and well-being and Arthur Brooks and David Brooks and all the Brooks.

It's the same wisdom, it's just kind of packaged a little differently.

Go ahead.

Please pick it up from there.

But I just want to say, see, I think this is super important that you can share with your audience your struggle.