Rainn Wilson

How would you, a materialist scientist doctor, how would you define soul?

Oh, wow.

Yeah, I like that.

I haven't heard that one before.

I've heard a lot of them.

That really resonates.

So for me, Dr. Mike, I underwent a lot of mental health challenges, especially in my 20s, early 30s.

And the way that I found out of it was, and this, cause this was in the nineties and the therapy was not as prevalent and there weren't meditation apps and there weren't, you know, self-help books and, you know, podcasts that would help you in meditation or, you know, healing yourself or what have you.

I grew up a member of the Baha'i faith and my parents were Baha'is.

I had left the Baha'i faith in my twenties and

but I undertook a kind of a spiritual journey.

So I found some solace by walking a spiritual path, by learning about meditation, reading about Buddhism, reading the Bible, studying various world faiths.

And so for me, I feel like culturally we have kind of thrown the spiritual baby out with

The pragmatism of secularism.

We threw out religion and we also threw out spirituality.

So we threw out spiritual baby with the religious bathwater is what I say.

And that there can be a great deal of healing that can be found in spiritual practice.

Right.

Whether it's part of a religious faith or separate from the practice of a specific faith.

that can heal ourselves not only internally and help us find kind of balance, connection, meaning, purpose, because we do have a meaning and purpose disease, pandemic, that's affecting contemporary Americans.