Ranjay Gulati

You know, for the longest time, I was ashamed when I wasn't courageous.

And I never understood this, and I've come to realize people aren't paralyzed by fear as much as they're paralyzed by the shame of having fear.

And so I think it's important to understand for children to understand both one extreme, recklessness, which I think for many of them is a factor to think about, and the other one is not also to have shame.

And how do we, I think this is an excellent question.

that how do we get children to learn the act of courage?

And it's about acting more than a lecture.

You know, I want to thank Aubrey for trusting us and sharing the story with us.

And you're right.

You know, sometimes how do we think about acting before feeling?

This story touches me because it highlights a quieter, sustained form of courage that you had talked about earlier.

It's a profound example of choosing authenticity over safety.

In some ways, you're waking up every day and you're trying to face the world that may be hostile.

You may be willing to risk relationships, your social network to be true to oneself.

And so it really is, I think it's a powerful, powerful example of that courage doesn't always look like a warrior charging into battle or leading some kind of a movement.

It sometimes requires patience.

It's...

vulnerable.

So it really expands our thinking about courage and also your point about, you know, you're acting your way into knowing.

So you're taking steps in that.

It's a journey you're on.