Raven

I don't know why.

When you came back into WWE?

Yeah, when I came back as Raven, he never had time to talk to me.

So, I don't know.

But you guys, you were thick as thieves for a while, right?

Yeah, we were, yeah.

Why did that stop?

Well, when I moved, you know, I don't keep in touch, as I said before.

But, you know, I just, I don't know.

When I got back, he just didn't treat me the same.

So how did Raven come about?

If you say you were always wearing that stuff, how did you create the character?

I was talking to Paige, DDP, and he goes, I was complaining about the fact that, you know, that

Nobody was hiring chicken shit heels, you know what I mean?

That I couldn't get a job with somebody, you know, with another company.

I'd have to... We were trying to figure out what to do with my career because I didn't want to stay as a... They took me off managing, and so I wasn't on TV, and so I was behind the scenes as a producer, like we said.

And so we were talking...

And he said, you know, I saw that movie Point Break with the red hot chili peppers and you, you know, you're tattooed, got long hair.

This is when people had mullets and I was already growing my mullet out because mullets were out of style.

But the wrestling business, they still had mullets because they live in a bubble.