Raven

I mean, Madonna, you know, masturbated with a crucifix on MTV.

You know, I'm thinking this is tame compared to that.

You know, and...

And to me, it was just a metaphor.

It was a metaphor for...

For Tommy feeling my... I mean, the crucifix, I mean... I'm confusing him.

The crucifix with Sandman was just for him to feel my pain.

You know, because Raven was always... I considered him a martyr for society's dysfunction.

When you were told you had to go out there and apologize, how did you feel about that?

I didn't like it because, to me, if you're the extreme promotion...

Even if you cross, they expect you to cross the line at some point.

And if you're going to come up to the line all the time, that's great.

But if you cross it, you shouldn't go and apologize because you're the extreme promotion.

The extreme promotion wouldn't apologize.

But because Paulie's Jewish and Todd's Jewish and my last name's Levy, you know, with a name like that, people just assume I'm Jewish.

And my family is, but I never followed the faith.

But it's neither here nor there.

So I could see how people would mistake it as religious beating down on Christianity.

But it had nothing to do with that.

It was a metaphor.