Ray Gutierrez

I just bought myself a digital notepad, even though we all have iPhones or digital devices.

But I want to separate myself from a device that is literally just on making money off of my eyeballs.

I just want to return to paper.

And it's just a simple device that feels like paper, writes like paper, and it just centers me in the moment.

When I was like... In Oklahoma.

Which I think is beautiful because I lived in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

It's beautiful.

And I lived in Tulsa for a year and then Sperry, Oklahoma for another year.

Coming from the Bay Area.

And it was just like...

California living to just serene Bible bell-like tradition.

I get it.

I get it.

Yeah.

So what's that like for you coming from that, but just being colorful and like...

Understanding the rules, but not quite following them.

Part of my part of my friendship, but there's a well-known book called Learn How Not to Give a Fuck.

yeah written by a really well-known entrepreneur yeah yeah yeah just like here's how you just live your life without having to worry that it's not the end of the world and that everything is not about you and everything is about you but just understand about energy and the divine and all that good fun stuff

I completely hear you, but coming from the Miami noise, being born and raised here, and then moving to a town where some folks have never left, and they're just like Bible-beating Christians.

I was so enamored by the fact that it was almost like stumbling into a village that they've never seen technology.