Raymond Liu

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1,052 appearances 6 recordings 1 series first heard Jun 2026 last heard 20 Aug

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They gave OpenAI an opportunity to kind of have this resolution back in February and then they just didn't respond.

So I feel like at this point when they actually filed the lawsuit, they've built up, to me, they've built up a pretty strong case to actually sue.

And they were pretty specific about it too.

So it's not like they just said generally catch all trade secrets.

Hey, whatever.

We feel like you're taking our ideas.

Exactly.

Again, according to the lawsuit.

But it's down to details like the metal finishing techniques that Apple wants to protect.

And that's a key thing, especially when it comes to their supply chain, as you mentioned.

But many are saying, like you said, it does not look great for OpenAI, especially when you hire these former high-level workers from Apple.

In fact, more than 400 former Apple employees, according to Bloomberg, have joined OpenAI.

And that's also because they are enticed by this opportunity to build this next-generational device.

And also because they have just massive, dazzling pay packages.

I mean, some of the pay that I've seen on LinkedIn is just crazy.

But...

I want to also make sure that we say, what does Apple ultimately want to achieve in this lawsuit?

Well, it wants OpenAI, first and foremost, to stop stealing its trade secrets, for one.

But it also wants OpenAI to scrap any hardware plans that may have a tinge of Apple in it.

So it basically says anything that you're working on that may be construed as our trade secrets, re-engineer it, start over, start from square one.

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