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Rebecca Winthrop

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224 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

And I think as a parent, you, yourself, but also other parents out there are right to be suspicious because I think that linear line is going to be much more complicated as the years go on with AI in our world. So what I would think about is a couple of things. One, getting back to the research I've done with my co-author and colleague, Jenny Anderson, grades don't show you how much

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

And I think as a parent, you, yourself, but also other parents out there are right to be suspicious because I think that linear line is going to be much more complicated as the years go on with AI in our world. So what I would think about is a couple of things. One, getting back to the research I've done with my co-author and colleague, Jenny Anderson, grades don't show you how much

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

kids are engaged. I mean, schools are not designed to give kids agency. Schools are designed to help kids comply. And it's actually not really the fault of the teacher. Teachers are squished from above with all sorts of standards and squished from below with parents putting a lot of pressure on teachers about their kids' performance and outcome.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

kids are engaged. I mean, schools are not designed to give kids agency. Schools are designed to help kids comply. And it's actually not really the fault of the teacher. Teachers are squished from above with all sorts of standards and squished from below with parents putting a lot of pressure on teachers about their kids' performance and outcome.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

And what you really want is some feedback loops that are beyond just grades, and behavior to know, is my kid developing agency over their learning? And what I mean by that is, are they able to reflect and think about things they're learning in a way that they can identify what's interesting and they can have the skills to pursue new information? That right there is

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

And what you really want is some feedback loops that are beyond just grades, and behavior to know, is my kid developing agency over their learning? And what I mean by that is, are they able to reflect and think about things they're learning in a way that they can identify what's interesting and they can have the skills to pursue new information? That right there is

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

is I think going to be the core skill. It is the core skill for learning new things in an uncertain world, which is I think one of the number one things we think about. In addition to that, I would say make sure kids are learning to interact with other human beings. Any school that has them working with peers, but even connecting with community members, our social networks are getting smaller.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

is I think going to be the core skill. It is the core skill for learning new things in an uncertain world, which is I think one of the number one things we think about. In addition to that, I would say make sure kids are learning to interact with other human beings. Any school that has them working with peers, but even connecting with community members, our social networks are getting smaller.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

There's going to be a premium on human to human interaction as more and more skills get automated and done by AI, which are the more knowledge, cognitive tasks, the sort of interpersonal caregiving, teaching skills are going to continue to be important for some time. I'm not sure for how long, but for some time.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

There's going to be a premium on human to human interaction as more and more skills get automated and done by AI, which are the more knowledge, cognitive tasks, the sort of interpersonal caregiving, teaching skills are going to continue to be important for some time. I'm not sure for how long, but for some time.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

And then the last thing, which may seem silly to you, but I increasingly keep thinking about, is think about speaking. listening and speaking as the missing piece of literacy alongside reading and writing, we're going to need to show our merit and our credentials more and more through what the British call oracy skills. I think we've lost the art of listening and speaking.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

And then the last thing, which may seem silly to you, but I increasingly keep thinking about, is think about speaking. listening and speaking as the missing piece of literacy alongside reading and writing, we're going to need to show our merit and our credentials more and more through what the British call oracy skills. I think we've lost the art of listening and speaking.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

So the first one is Democracy in Education by John Dewey, which is over 100 years old. And we are now seeing through lots of great neuroscience that his observations around the teaching and learning experience and what makes for a good teaching and learning experience were right.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

So the first one is Democracy in Education by John Dewey, which is over 100 years old. And we are now seeing through lots of great neuroscience that his observations around the teaching and learning experience and what makes for a good teaching and learning experience were right.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

He has some great discussions around the importance of reflection, not just ingesting knowledge, but reflecting on it, making meaning, figuring out how to do things with it. And I love it because we didn't talk about this as much, but the role of schools in our society are more than just your and my kids' education and getting a job, even though that's what we care about most as a parent.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

He has some great discussions around the importance of reflection, not just ingesting knowledge, but reflecting on it, making meaning, figuring out how to do things with it. And I love it because we didn't talk about this as much, but the role of schools in our society are more than just your and my kids' education and getting a job, even though that's what we care about most as a parent.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

They are about creating a democratic society or not. So that's an oldie but goodie. I love it. John Dewey. The second book is by Gaia Bernstein. It's called Unwired, Gaining Control Over Addictive Technologies. She's a law professor at Seton Hall University. I really enjoy this book because it gives a really good overview, particularly around kids.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

They are about creating a democratic society or not. So that's an oldie but goodie. I love it. John Dewey. The second book is by Gaia Bernstein. It's called Unwired, Gaining Control Over Addictive Technologies. She's a law professor at Seton Hall University. I really enjoy this book because it gives a really good overview, particularly around kids.

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

and young people of the incentives that commercial tech has and what are some strategies for resisting that and getting to a better place. And the last one, it's called Blueprint for Revolution, How to Use Rice Pudding, Lego Men, and Other Nonviolent Techniques to Galvanize Communities, Overthrow Dictators, or Simply Change the World by Sergei Popovich, who is...

The Ezra Klein Show
‘We Have to Really Rethink the Purpose of Education’

and young people of the incentives that commercial tech has and what are some strategies for resisting that and getting to a better place. And the last one, it's called Blueprint for Revolution, How to Use Rice Pudding, Lego Men, and Other Nonviolent Techniques to Galvanize Communities, Overthrow Dictators, or Simply Change the World by Sergei Popovich, who is...