Rich Lowry

Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like, yeah, it wasn't like the public saw him go into a swimming pool with the secretary and the media said, no, you're making it up.

Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like, yeah, it wasn't like the public saw him go into a swimming pool with the secretary and the media said, no, you're making it up.

Maybe FDR 1944. Yeah. But, you know, he was reelected and people were willing to look past it. And he had like back then campaigning was different. So he had one campaign event where he drove around New York City in the rain. I was like, OK, he's he's still he's still vigorous. But everyone knew otherwise everyone knew he was dying.

Maybe FDR 1944. Yeah. But, you know, he was reelected and people were willing to look past it. And he had like back then campaigning was different. So he had one campaign event where he drove around New York City in the rain. I was like, OK, he's he's still he's still vigorous. But everyone knew otherwise everyone knew he was dying.

Maybe FDR 1944. Yeah. But, you know, he was reelected and people were willing to look past it. And he had like back then campaigning was different. So he had one campaign event where he drove around New York City in the rain. I was like, OK, he's he's still he's still vigorous. But everyone knew otherwise everyone knew he was dying.

Well, it's not as great as the first month or two, but that's kind of inevitable, right, Mark? The first month or two, you control events as the president, and then inevitably things happen to you. And the first thing that happened to him was Signalgate. Not a huge event. But it shifted the narrative a little bit. But I think the tariffs are the big story.

Well, it's not as great as the first month or two, but that's kind of inevitable, right, Mark? The first month or two, you control events as the president, and then inevitably things happen to you. And the first thing that happened to him was Signalgate. Not a huge event. But it shifted the narrative a little bit. But I think the tariffs are the big story.

Well, it's not as great as the first month or two, but that's kind of inevitable, right, Mark? The first month or two, you control events as the president, and then inevitably things happen to you. And the first thing that happened to him was Signalgate. Not a huge event. But it shifted the narrative a little bit. But I think the tariffs are the big story.

And that's not something that was done to Trump. It's something he did. He had to touch the hot stove. He was warned by people, don't do it this way. There's going to be a big market reaction and real economic turmoil. in the country, but because he's such a deep believer in tariffs, he went and did it and he got the reaction and now he's pulling it back.

And that's not something that was done to Trump. It's something he did. He had to touch the hot stove. He was warned by people, don't do it this way. There's going to be a big market reaction and real economic turmoil. in the country, but because he's such a deep believer in tariffs, he went and did it and he got the reaction and now he's pulling it back.

And that's not something that was done to Trump. It's something he did. He had to touch the hot stove. He was warned by people, don't do it this way. There's going to be a big market reaction and real economic turmoil. in the country, but because he's such a deep believer in tariffs, he went and did it and he got the reaction and now he's pulling it back.

So the optimistic scenario continues to have various deals with other countries, gets the big, beautiful bill. There's some still economic disruption just based on what's happened at this point, but no recession and you move on from there. But I think that's the biggest story of the Trump presidency so far.

So the optimistic scenario continues to have various deals with other countries, gets the big, beautiful bill. There's some still economic disruption just based on what's happened at this point, but no recession and you move on from there. But I think that's the biggest story of the Trump presidency so far.

So the optimistic scenario continues to have various deals with other countries, gets the big, beautiful bill. There's some still economic disruption just based on what's happened at this point, but no recession and you move on from there. But I think that's the biggest story of the Trump presidency so far.

I don't know what Trump came up with that, Mark.

I don't know what Trump came up with that, Mark.

I don't know what Trump came up with that, Mark.

I think that's a good that's a good counter point. I'm not sure that Trump that they were ever discounting Trump or not paying serious attention to him. And there's a mutual blinking here. So the that's sort of the optimistic take from the U.S. perspective is he realizes how vulnerable he is. On the other hand, he knows how vulnerable we are, right?

I think that's a good that's a good counter point. I'm not sure that Trump that they were ever discounting Trump or not paying serious attention to him. And there's a mutual blinking here. So the that's sort of the optimistic take from the U.S. perspective is he realizes how vulnerable he is. On the other hand, he knows how vulnerable we are, right?

I think that's a good that's a good counter point. I'm not sure that Trump that they were ever discounting Trump or not paying serious attention to him. And there's a mutual blinking here. So the that's sort of the optimistic take from the U.S. perspective is he realizes how vulnerable he is. On the other hand, he knows how vulnerable we are, right?