Rich Lowry

So the occasion for this extortion that he was complaining about was no longer there. And then the gang got crushed, right? So there's no fear whatsoever. And he was still living free in this country. So you need to change all that. But also, I think it's from the power of the Trump administration now to do worksite raids. And it's understandable they're going after the worst people.

You do that for some substantive reasons, obviously. You do it for the politics. But you've got to – I'm making up the numbers. You've got to send like 15 ICE agents to get one guy because he might be a threat. He might shoot at you, right? You need a lot of robust presence. Worksite raids, you send five ICE agents to a meatpacking plant in Iowa, and you get 150 guys.

You do that for some substantive reasons, obviously. You do it for the politics. But you've got to – I'm making up the numbers. You've got to send like 15 ICE agents to get one guy because he might be a threat. He might shoot at you, right? You need a lot of robust presence. Worksite raids, you send five ICE agents to a meatpacking plant in Iowa, and you get 150 guys.

You do that for some substantive reasons, obviously. You do it for the politics. But you've got to – I'm making up the numbers. You've got to send like 15 ICE agents to get one guy because he might be a threat. He might shoot at you, right? You need a lot of robust presence. Worksite raids, you send five ICE agents to a meatpacking plant in Iowa, and you get 150 guys.

And you deport them, and then you find the hell out of that meatpacking plant. And then what happens is every other meatpacking plant in Iowa says, we don't want to be fined. They go to their legal employees. Sorry, guys. You can't work here anymore. And then you might have some of those legal employees saying, you know what? I don't want to be deported. I don't want to be held in detention.

And you deport them, and then you find the hell out of that meatpacking plant. And then what happens is every other meatpacking plant in Iowa says, we don't want to be fined. They go to their legal employees. Sorry, guys. You can't work here anymore. And then you might have some of those legal employees saying, you know what? I don't want to be deported. I don't want to be held in detention.

And you deport them, and then you find the hell out of that meatpacking plant. And then what happens is every other meatpacking plant in Iowa says, we don't want to be fined. They go to their legal employees. Sorry, guys. You can't work here anymore. And then you might have some of those legal employees saying, you know what? I don't want to be deported. I don't want to be held in detention.

I'll go home on my own. And the biggest thing we need, which is I've been shocked for 10 years that Donald Trump doesn't talk about this. He's very ambiguous on this issue. You need a so-called e-verify system. That's a foolproof system where you just can't hire people who are illegal aliens. That drives up all the jobs.

I'll go home on my own. And the biggest thing we need, which is I've been shocked for 10 years that Donald Trump doesn't talk about this. He's very ambiguous on this issue. You need a so-called e-verify system. That's a foolproof system where you just can't hire people who are illegal aliens. That drives up all the jobs.

I'll go home on my own. And the biggest thing we need, which is I've been shocked for 10 years that Donald Trump doesn't talk about this. He's very ambiguous on this issue. You need a so-called e-verify system. That's a foolproof system where you just can't hire people who are illegal aliens. That drives up all the jobs.

And then you might have millions of people saying, we don't want to be here anymore. So we're just not going to be able to cherry pick our way through 18 million people and work through this process and really move the numbers. You need those kind of things to make a big difference in my mind.

And then you might have millions of people saying, we don't want to be here anymore. So we're just not going to be able to cherry pick our way through 18 million people and work through this process and really move the numbers. You need those kind of things to make a big difference in my mind.

And then you might have millions of people saying, we don't want to be here anymore. So we're just not going to be able to cherry pick our way through 18 million people and work through this process and really move the numbers. You need those kind of things to make a big difference in my mind.

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Yeah, of course. I think this, Megan, though, it does go to a contradiction. On the one hand, illegal immigrants, they should be detained until their proceedings are fully worked out and they're removed. That's what the law says, and we've just never done it. No one's done it. Abrego Garcia was released during the first Trump administration. He should have been held.

Yeah, of course. I think this, Megan, though, it does go to a contradiction. On the one hand, illegal immigrants, they should be detained until their proceedings are fully worked out and they're removed. That's what the law says, and we've just never done it. No one's done it. Abrego Garcia was released during the first Trump administration. He should have been held.

Yeah, of course. I think this, Megan, though, it does go to a contradiction. On the one hand, illegal immigrants, they should be detained until their proceedings are fully worked out and they're removed. That's what the law says, and we've just never done it. No one's done it. Abrego Garcia was released during the first Trump administration. He should have been held.

They all should be held, but we need more detention space to do that. But if the argument is, well, this in El Salvador is just basically detention space like in America – Then you're going to get the courts will saying, well, OK, you effectively have control over over all these prisoners. So if we're telling you to bring them back, it's not a foreign policy issue. It's just a U.S.