Rich Roll

So any notion that you just sort of went to the Amazon and started building

basically doing what you're doing now is insanity.

I mean, the amount of obstacles that you have had to face and overcome to be in this position right now is mind boggling.

And I think it speaks to obsession, persistence, like all of these character traits that are necessary to change the world.

When I first met you, I was with my youngest daughter who is super into nature and especially reptiles, like I had a snake at one point.

And she says, Paul, she's just like in rapture, like with you telling stories.

And she says, Paul, did you ever see that video like over a decade ago where that guy was getting eaten by an anaconda?

And you say-

Yeah, you were like, not only did I see it, Jaya, that was me.

And she like freaked out that you were like the guy.

And I want you to tell that story because I think it illustrates a really important inciting incident in your kind of trajectory.

But this is after you trying to get people to pay attention to what you were doing for a very long time and the struggle for the first book.

There was so many

instances in which you were like, can you please shine a light on this and you were getting nowhere.

And suddenly you're in a position where like, oh, because of that short film that you made and the UN thing, like we can tell that story.

You're in a position now where people actually are listening and you can do something.

Let's turn it into a reality show.

A game show or a fear factor situation.

She was very disappointed in you.

Yeah, but you were a punk.