Rich Roll

I was a punk, yeah.

You had to learn that lesson, and I'm sure she knows that.

But you said something about how that experience with Jane Goodall-

I want your feed.

Back to Discovery, Anacondas, you sign on the dotted line, you make the Faustian bargain to make this show and what happens?

I was like, I got to get out of here.

So before your career had even really begun, it was over with.

And this is sort of like if this is a movie, you're at the bottom of the second.

You're thinking you're at the bottom of the second act or like it's just game over completely.

And he was like, no permission to give up.

What I take from that story is the fact that despite you being earnest and well-intentioned and committed to this mission,

this goal that you had of being this person in this part of the world who was doing good, you weren't ready for that yet.

No.

Because the person who says yes to the Get Me Alive TV show is not seasoned enough to responsibly shoulder the gravity of the kind of mission.

that you were sort of thinking that you were on and you had to figuratively and literally go to the jungle, you know, like to the cave, right?

Like you had to be seasoned more.

And so-

that situation forced you to do that so that you could be prepared to be doing what you're doing now.

Like had that not happened, I don't think that you would be here.

And if it had gone your way, you might be doing something, but perhaps you would just be some kind of,