Rich Roll

Jeff Probst TV host or something.

Like who knows what, I don't know, you wouldn't have ended up where you are right now, this is what I'm saying.

And I think you had to go out and earn it in a deeper way and that situation forced you to do that.

So it is a really important moment.

And I think it's easy to say like, oh, the obstacle is the way.

Yeah.

The obstacles are what grind you into preparedness to be able to do the thing that you claim it is that you want to do, right?

It's not on your timeline.

No.

It takes a long time.

You're 14 years old.

You want to do this.

Years and years and years, decades have gone into this where you had to earn your stripes in a very real way.

And there was no shortcut to being able to do that.

But there's always another level.

Yeah, it's like, oh, there's a whole other level here.

Yeah.

Obsession.

On the narco tip, explain what's going on there and how it's different than when you started.

Are these at the behest of the large cartels or are these mom and pop shop narcos?