Richard Gadd

You know, I'm an ambassador, but I've also, you know, early on, I have used their services and can testify to how amazing they are.

Yeah, it's not something to be ashamed of.

It's put simply, but I get how it can feel that way.

And that can be very hard to shed.

You can say it's not, but sometimes the way your synapses have been wired as a result of sort of trauma or something means that it will circle back to that.

So you can say, and sometimes I think that the human brain has the capacity to sort of feel something before you think it.

You have the ability to sort of rationalize it.

And I think sometimes you can almost like...

I remember in the aftermath of it, I felt like everyone could see it on me, like I was keeping this big secret.

You'd be at like a cash register or something and then you'd be like paying for your shopping and the cashier looks at you like, it's because you feel it before you think it.

You're like, what is that feeling?

And you're like, oh, it's because of that and it's because of this.

And so sometimes you feel shame before you have the ability to rationalize shame.

And that can be very difficult to do.

so it's very it has to be a sort of internal process of acceptance i think you know in order to get rid of that um yeah it's very complicated i'd love to say like you it's not something to be ashamed of but i'd almost rather say i understand that you feel that shame and you will get through it through a process of acceptance that will take time you know so it's very complicated

It's interesting because I always went the other way and I thought, oh, everyone's going to know this about me now.

It kind of was in a way.

I do sometimes like marvel at how the journey has gone.

You know, like it's been like, God knows how many, way, way over a decade, like way over and...

And sort of from kind of dare not speak it out loud for fear you might admit the truth of what happened kind of thing.