Richard Grannon

Let's go here.

Let's go there.

I'll take you to some places in Liverpool, in Birkenhead.

Go to the shops.

Go on.

Tell me how you feel going and shopping there.

100% agree.

And I think the other issue that can occur on the left is things are reduced to very, very simple.

Everything is oversimplified.

So they'll say, ah, so here we have white people who have a problem with brown people and they just don't want to live alongside them because they are racist.

Okay, do you not think there are...

Black families in this country who are not comfortable with people coming in from other cultures that are not compatible with British cultures.

Black families who've been here for hundreds of years, generationally, hundreds of years, they're British.

They don't like it.

It's not.

Why do you keep reducing it to this patronizing simplistic, oh, it's white people who don't like this and it's all about racism.

It's not.

For me personally, I think the source of the problem, it's cultural.

There are different cultural codes.

Agreed.