Richard Hasen

I mean, it's just ludicrous.

Same thing with voter impersonation fraud.

Someone goes to the polls claiming to be someone else.

We can count probably on one hand the number of proven cases of impersonation voter fraud in the last election.

I mean, these things are happening on a very small basis.

In some small elections, especially in places where there might be a media desert, not newspapers or others watching to see what's going on, we have seen some election fraud.

We have some examples of that in Patterson, New Jersey, in a city election in Bridgeport, Connecticut.

There have been places.

These are generally not fraud activities committed by voters, but instead by elected officials and election officials who are trying to interfere with the elections.

Soterios Johnson

Yeah, well, here we have some good data.

So back in, I believe it was the early 2010s, Kansas passed one of these documentary proof of citizenship laws.

And this, again, is a law that would require you to provide your naturalization certificate, your birth certificate, your marriage license, things like that.

We know that when Kansas tried to put this law in place, 30,000 people had their voter registrations put on hold until a federal court issued a preliminary injunction saying you can't enforce this law while we have a trial.

Of those 30,000 people, more than 99% of them were eligible to vote.

And so it has a huge disenfranchising effect.

The case over this documentary proof of citizenship law went to trial in a case called Fish v. Kobach.

This was a case that was defended by Chris Kobach.

He's one of the famous election deniers.

He was the Secretary of State of Kansas.