Richard Rabins

And because the product has a long heritage, it's very rich in terms of features and capabilities.

And so we've been able to grow the company.

No, we're somewhat smaller than that because our price has been growing over time.

It's somewhere in the $5 to $10 million range.

No, very little.

It was mainly an asset increase.

purchase because in those days, software was mainly sold as perpetual licenses versus subscription.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it varies.

And so, so that I just laid out one type of customer and that's what I would call entrepreneurs.

We've got an idea in this case, it was a mammal product.

We've got other folks who've built safety products in agriculture, school products, you know, ERP systems all over the shelf.

But then the other audience is corporate customers who, you know, they've got a sales force or service force or something and they want to mobilize these guys and they're looking for something that's powerful, that can connect to all kinds of systems of record.

But at the same time, they can build very rapidly systems.

And also, there's a big push towards embracing the so-called citizen developer in companies.

These are folks with domain expertise but are not developers.

So that's what's driven us to the next product that is in the process of being released right now.

Um, we probably were up by about 70% approximately.

Something like that.