Richard

My God, your father must have been so resourceful.

I mean, getting hold of all the mechanical parts for an engine and timber and the frame and just finding the shipwrights who can build the thing.

I mean, this must have been quite a large conspiracy that's been hatched to build this big boat.

So who was going to join your family on this big boat that was being built?

So with all that, when it was time to go, what do you remember of that day or night when your parents said, we're leaving this town?

You were scared at that point?

Oh, Anna, knowing what was at stake for your parents,

They've got their whole family.

You've got their kids around them.

They must have been so frightened.

And did you sense that about them at the time or were they trying to keep that under wraps for your sake?

What did your parents tell you about going to the edge of the water?

Could you swim in those days?

Were there plenty of people who'd never seen the water before?

Oh, right, from 40 to 101 people?

Did your father talk about, given that, I mean, he paid for this and these extra people were going to put all your lives at risk.

Did he consider trying to force these extra people off?

Did you have to hide from the water patrols, from the authorities?

Yes.

Now, where were you headed?