Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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In the late 1990s, Glenn Jarvis was an Australian living in London, working for a giant American energy and investment corporation, right in the centre of town, right in the middle of a bull market. Life was exhilarating. He made lots of friends. But after a while working in the finance department, Glenn began to notice some very odd transactions.
Gigantic amounts of money were flooding in and out that just couldn't be accounted for. And this was so perfectly strange because the company, a corporation named Enron, was regularly named as the most admired American corporation in the world. Glenn took it up with his bosses, but they didn't want to know. And that was odd too, because the company's slogan was, ask why.
Glenn's reputation at work changed and his life began to unravel under the hideous stress of it all. He had a psychotic episode and spent the next two years in and out of mental health institutions in Australia and in the UK. His family stuck by him, but things were difficult and he ended up in supported accommodation.
After a few years, and after finally accepting the truth of his diagnosis, Glenn began a slow and painstaking climb back into an entirely different life. with the help of some good people at the local bolo. Hello, Glenn.
Hello, Richard.
You grew up in Queenbin and you had a stint in your childhood on Christmas Island. What was Christmas Island like as a kid, as you remember it? It was fun.
A lot of running around in the jungle, land crabs everywhere. The stench when they all got run over right outside the school was horrendous. Yeah, the food was fantastic. No sausage rolls and pies at the canteen. It was all curry and lots of friends with the Chinese and Malay community as well.
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Chapter 2: What was Glenn Jarvis's experience working at Enron?
Wrote a bit of poetry, but I had some good friends at Queanbeyan High and it's funny, a lot of us are still really good friends from back then. I had part-time jobs. I used to work at Cannons, Food Barn, Fishwick, throwing boxes around on the weekends. A lot of my friends used to ride motorbikes out the back of Queanbeyan.
There was a lot of, like, as we got older, cruising around in cars at night. Was it a pretty car-obsessed culture? It was, yeah. There was a lot of... Someone once said that cars are a very safe topic of conversation in Queanbeyan. What were you planning to do when you left school then? I was planning during my school years to become a pilot.
I'd read a lot of Biggles books when I was a young fella and I kind of liked his world-weary attitude to life, even though he was only about 19 or something in the books. When you went to uni, what did you study then?
Economics. Was your plan to be in business or to be an economist or something like that?
I didn't have much of a plan. I could never really envisage myself being an economist. I was a bit lost when I was a young bloke. I didn't really belong to any kind of group at uni or school. I kind of flitted between them all. The car guys, the country boys at uni, a few of the blokes who liked to, you know, smoke a bit of pot at uni. I used to hang around with them a little bit as well.
So I was kind of just all over the place a bit, I suppose, when I was a young fella.
So once you got out of uni, what was your first job then?
My first real job was working in a store in Sydney for a company that built the Foxtel cable TV network down in Sydney and around the country as well called VisionStream. It was a fantastic job. All the streets were being dug up and duct was being put under the streets. But being a cable hauler itself was a very cruisy job. We had a quota of work that we had to do per day.
It was like 200 metres per man. And on a very good day, you could knock that over in half an hour and be off to the beach or wherever.
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Chapter 3: How did Glenn's mental health deteriorate during his time at Enron?
So instead of just doing 200 metres per man, after you'd done that, you got paid per metre. So, yeah, output went up quite considerably after that.
So, Glenn, how do you go from there to going to London and getting a job with megacorporation energy giant Enron? How did that happen?
I had a friend who'd moved to London. He'd met a Scottish girl and decided to go over there. And I was getting a bit sick of Sydney, so I just thought I might as well head over and I've got somewhere to stay. So I arrived at Heathrow Airport. I got off the plane. I rang my friend and he said, I can't believe you're here.
I was talking to my boss about you today and there's a job going where I work. And I said, where do you work? He said, for a company called Enron. So basically I arrived on a Tuesday night to Wednesday night and I started work on the Monday.
Enron, as I said, was often spoken of as the most admired corporation in America in those days. Their CEO and chair were friends of President Bush. They were often on the cover of Fortune magazine, the chair Ken Lay and the CEO Jeffrey Skilling.
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Chapter 4: What led to Glenn's diagnosis of schizophrenia?
They were often lauded as the smartest guys in the room. And I can never quite get my head around it, but is it right to say that they were not only an energy corporation, but they were also dealing in energy credits? They were somehow running a kind of a market in energy? Have I got that right, Glenn? You have got that right.
But a lot of people, including myself, don't really understand a lot of the things they were trying to do.
Chapter 5: How did Glenn begin his recovery after his diagnosis?
There were things they were trying to do with weather. They were trying to set up an online broadband distribution system. But, yeah, they had some really what you'd call clever ideas for how to make money.
What was the nature of your work in the company of all these suits and fast cars in London?
I was just counting the beans in the finance department. I'd get their bank statements every day and I'd enter into the accountancy package where all the money went to and where all the money came from and then at the end of the month I'd have to do... These massive bank reconciliations, which are automated now, but we used to have to do them manually back then. A bank controls clerk.
Where were the corporate offices in London? Well, eventually they built their own building up near Buckingham Palace or Victoria Station. But when I was there...
Chapter 6: What role did friendships play in Glenn's recovery?
We had one building on Mill Bank. It's kind of across the road from the park next to the House of Lords. And then another building just down around the corner on Horseberry Road next to the MI5 building. Yeah, it was nice. You could go down and have your lunch into the park next to the House of Lords and with the Thames flying by, it was just a beautiful location.
Given that you're working in accounts... What was it like to observe Enron growing so quickly, having all this investment money, all these gigantic projects taking place in the most admired American company in the world?
It was amazing working at Enron. It was just party time in a major way. And the transactions were growing nearly exponentially faster. When I first started, some of the bank statements I was getting were only half a page long. But then six months later, they'd be like three pages long, four pages long. So they were trading a lot more.
What kind of anomalies were you beginning to see in some of these account documents that were coming your way?
Well, what I was noticing were a couple of things. Every couple of months, an amazing sum of money, I think in the order of about $1.5 billion US dollars would arrive in one of their bank accounts. And I'd have to obviously account for that somehow. And I'd ask around and I'd say, does anyone know about this amount of money? It's quite a staggering sum. And there'd be like silence.
People wouldn't know. So eventually I'd get someone on the phone who did know. And then I looked at my boss across the table and he said, if I was you, I wouldn't tell anyone about that. Just call that funding. So they're a bit hesitant for people to know about that. Plus on another one of the bank recs, there was about a gazillion pounds or dollars. I can't remember now.
But that was... I asked my boss about that and he said, ''Oh, that's debt.'' So I accidentally showed that to the wrong person in the company once and he had a freak out about Enron having a gazillion pound overdraft as well. So it wasn't just me. When you say gazillion, is that like a... It's an official Enron term.
It just means like a very large number because you're just regularly seeing staggering amounts of money coming and going. But yeah, I remember the debt was pretty big, but maybe not quite as big as the funding number. How old was your boss at the time? Well, when I first started, I had a very nice boss called Phil. And a couple of the guys I was working with were giving him quite a hard time.
So we got switched over to another boss called Michelle. Yeah, she would have been about 40. But the guy who really knew what was going on in the department was 19 years old.
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Chapter 7: How did Glenn's experiences shape his perspective on mental health?
I just booked the transaction to the right account code. And later on, the trading accountant rang me up and said, how did you know to do that? And it was just the account code. They were completely paranoid about this funding.
So, yeah, I started feeling like... I think I turned around to the guy who helped me get the job after that and I said to him, I think we're looking at another bond corporation here. And he told me to shut up, so... Yeah, even though, as I say, I'm not a very good accountant, I've actually failed it at university.
Even though I could tell by some of the numbers I was seeing that things possibly went too healthy.
Even I remember, and I pay very little attention to the financial pages, but even I remember at the time the leaders of Venrod were being hailed in the late 90s as geniuses. Like, they were incredibly brilliant people. It must have been very, very weird. On the one hand, you're seeing things...
in black and white on a balance sheet in front of you that just don't tally with everyone in the world, including presidents, saying that these people are geniuses and they've found new ways to make money. Was there a bit of that? Were you feeling a bit, I don't know, the stress of that?
If you can see something here that doesn't accord with the emperor's new clothes culture that's around Enron at the time.
Yeah, it was like that. One of my favourite sayings is life wasn't meant to make sense. Yeah, there was a lot of stuff at Enron that just didn't seem to make sense. I mean, I had a bit of a background in broadband and I remember when they set up their broadband division, they put an accountant in charge of it and two receptionists.
And I kind of looked at that department and I thought, you guys are going to struggle because there's so much politics in the world of broadband. Yeah, there was all kinds of stuff happening over there.
So given that you're in a position in London where you're seeing these terrible, shocking anomalies and you're bringing them up, what did that do to your position in the company, your reputation, the kind of friendliness with which you were being greeted?
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Chapter 8: What insights does Glenn have about the stigma surrounding schizophrenia?
And I looked at about the first five or six of them and Yeah, I felt very uncomfortable at that point and I just walked out and I looked down at the Thames and I thought, I think I'd better go back to Australia. So I just kind of took off. But the emails were kind of pretty disturbing. There were a lot of
scanned official looking documents and the one that really disturbed me was like it was graphics it was like a camera which turned around and flashed at me and yeah that really scared me I put my head on the desk and someone said you're all right Glenn and I said I'm just gonna get out of here so that's what I did. What do you recall of your first proper psychotic episode after that?
Yeah, it's hard to tell. All this sounds a bit like just like my descent into madness, but I reckon I became properly psychotic probably a day, a day and a half after I walked out of Enron. Became completely delusional and I started hallucinating and kind of hearing voices, not very loud ones.
Yeah. Was that experience terrifying or kind of thrilling and exciting? A bit of both.
Yeah, that's a very perceptive question because it was a bit of both. It was terrifying. Like I thought people across the street in the flat were monitoring me somehow so I went over there and it was like I was on some kind of a drug. I once watched a documentary about this drug called Angel Dust or PCP. It was like I had this incredible strength and I was just trying to
kicked down the door of this flat across the road.
That was pretty terrifying. The thing is, you might have thought at the time that you were being paranoid about Enron, but you weren't. We now know it was a gigantic house of cards and the company collapsed in America's biggest corporate collapse a year or two after you left. You were not paranoid at all about Enron.
Everything you'd seen or your concerns were true, if anything worse than what you'd observed. Is there an irony in there? I don't know. What do you think about all that now, Glenn?
It was very definitely interesting times. I mean, some of my psychosis was just me being psychotic, but yeah, I definitely felt like there was a lot of stuff going on. So I ended up having three psychotic episodes. The first two, I kind of thought, did something occur to me or something like that overseas? And I thought, yeah, maybe it had, maybe they'd got at me at work somehow, but...
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