Richard

Normally, when I introduce a guest at the start and I explain what they do, it can pretty much be done in about 15 seconds or less.

But again, I'm just saying here, you work not only as an academic at the Australian Catholic University, but as a paralegal for Native Title Services Victoria.

You volunteer with VietSpeak, this community-based language group, and you cook for Free to Feed, an enterprise to support refugees and asylum seekers.

You're doing a lot of stuff here.

Do you ever view on the shape of your life, given...

where you've come from, what you've been through, and where you are now?

That moment when your dad refused to kick those other people off the boat, the people who hadn't paid for passage, who crowded onto the boat, who put everyone else's life at greater risk, that moment when he refused to kick them off because it would be heartless to do so, do you think about that a lot?

The great Czech writer-turned-president Vaclav Havel used to say that, who spent years as a political prisoner, he used to say that hope isn't the belief, it's not the belief that things are all going to turn out well in the end.

He said it's the act of living authentically...

Anne, it's been so lovely speaking with you.

Thank you so much.

I'm looking for any challenges and opportunities for my professional goals.

I'm looking for any challenges and opportunities for my professional goals.

I'm looking for any challenges and opportunities for my professional goals.

So maybe in the next five years later, I can see myself on a leader position. But right now, I'm looking for an individual contributor role.

So maybe in the next five years later, I can see myself on a leader position. But right now, I'm looking for an individual contributor role.

So maybe in the next five years later, I can see myself on a leader position. But right now, I'm looking for an individual contributor role.

The story is a couple came and picked them up and took them to the cabin.

The story is a couple came and picked them up and took them to the cabin.

The story is a couple came and picked them up and took them to the cabin.