Richard

Good God, how far you'd come.

That's extraordinary.

But what were the expectations on you like once you'd started going to Bryn Mawr?

What expectations did your mum, your very religious mum, have for you though?

I didn't bring you to Texas to become a poet.

Was she selling you that?

Yeah, and when your mom recovered from the fainting spell after that.

Well, if you're going to be careerist about it, you ended up doing a Master's in Theology.

Now, it's not like you can be Pope or a Bishop, is it?

No.

So were you really that careerist when you did a Master's in Theology?

Did you feel a moral obligation to your mum or to your God?

How about the college itself?

What did they expect of you?

I mean, when they bring you into those American colleges, they don't expect you to go off and work as a junior official in the Department of Land Tax afterwards.

They really have high ambitions for you and they really let you know all about that, don't they?

So and eventually you came to Australia and you now live in Melbourne with your son.

How did you end up finding that film that's on the internet of The Rescue of you and your family and all those other people from 1982?

Have you been in a room with those other members of that group of refugees that was on that boat?

Yes.