Richard

Given that you seem to get some relief from the bush and from the coast, do you take them out there as well?

Tell me a bit about the place where a lot of your clients live, a place called Home in Queanbeyan.

I've had people on the program years ago telling me stories of... This has happened a few times now, of how schizophrenia is dealt with in traditional societies, in places like Papua New Guinea and in the South Pacific.

And it's often given spiritual causes, as you would expect.

But the way such societies often...

help people, treat people, deal with people who are going through one of these episodes.

It's to treat them like it's something, first of all, that can happen to absolutely anyone in the village.

It's seen as that for a start.

You're not a kind of a different category of person as a result of that.

People are often sequestered in a hut for however many months, but people are coming to them all the time to talk to them and bring them food and to just wait out.

Like it's some kind of long...

I don't know, like the flu or something.

A psychotic episode is seen as being like a long illness that someone will eventually recover from but with the help of everyone in the village.

What do you think of that?

Your schizophrenic breakdown, like I said, it happened while you were at Enron, but it wasn't a paranoid delusion.

It was a place that was being run by crooks, liars and charlatans.

And Enron collapsed spectacularly two years after you left.

How do you look back on that now?

those older people in the bolo who reached out to you and were happy to have you with them a lot of older people then they're from a different generation they might have seen stuff that people who'd grown up in more prosperous times wouldn't have seen what do you see in them that's worth remembering i think what's worth emulating what qualities do you like about those people

Ran, it's been wonderful to speak with you.