Richard

When I look at the footage, I can see the kids are just pinging around the deck.

They're so happy.

And the adults still look shocked.

They still look like maybe they don't trust themselves to believe that they've been rescued.

What do you think is going on there?

If you're one of those adults like your parents and the other adults on board and you've dared everything to get on that boat and you've been out at sea for three days, you've lived through a storm, the engine's conked out, and then you're rescued from that, I just wonder how that affects the way you see the world forever afterwards.

Since you've hit that awful rock-bottom pit of despair, that blackest kind of despair, I wonder if that makes you so damn strong afterwards or does it scar you?

What do you think?

Do you think adults look to children in that moment to see their happiness?

I think if I'm that parent and I've been through all of that and the kids are safe on board and then I see one of my kids get excited and say, oh, look, look, a dolphin, a dolphin.

I think that would be one of the most lovely things that I would have ever seen in my entire life to see my kid happy looking at a dolphin.

What was the camp like in the Philippines?

And given that it was the Philippines, was it a lot easier for your parents to be as Catholic as they wanted to be?

So your family got accepted by the United States as migrants and you flew to the United States and eventually settled in Dallas, Texas.

That must have looked so weird to you.

What do you remember of that time?

So how hard were your parents working to make a new life in Texas?

for you to work for too.

I mean, you went through high school and you were admitted to Bryn Mawr College.

Now this is one of the most super elite colleges, universities in the United States.