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They got divorced and then they remarried each other. Yeah.

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Oh, they were 100%. They were the exception.

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My mom was, she still instills this stuff. She says I put my dad on a pedestal, but you got to remember that he wasn't always like this. Like, I trained him to be this.

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They got back together maybe like two years after they got divorced, but they didn't get remarried until maybe I was like 13. It was like eight or so years later because my mom wanted to be sure.

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You also know a girl's a hoe. If you have Dubai. If you have Dubai. We can't hang. You should not need to know what time it is in Dubai at any given time.

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My wedding. I always say, marry the wrong guy, but have the right wedding.

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Now my dad says, just tell people it was my 60th birthday party.

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Not even a year after my wedding. Yeah. Yeah. yeah um i think i mean to in terms of my parents i think they always taught me that relationships take work that's what i learned from them but um i think whenever you're like learning some lessons in life, it wasn't like my parents sat me down and told me this lesson, right? I had to, I had to learn it through experience.

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And I think there's bad things that came out of it and good things. I think I've definitely stayed longer in relationships or fought harder in certain things because I've been taught, you just don't give up. You just figure it out, you know? Yeah. But they also taught me how to get through the hard stuff. And that has been so valuable to me. And it teaches you that people aren't perfect.

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And that, you know, sometimes my mom calls it the tax. Like, not everyone's perfect. So, like, what is the tax you have to pay to have someone in your life? That's with friends and relationships. And... when I was younger, before I learned this, this lesson through going through it myself, I think I would have accepted a much higher, or I did accept a much higher tax.

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And through this relationship, I realized, wait, the tax is too high. This isn't what I want. And lesson wise, my dad gave me this advice about, about business, but he would say like, if you fail, fail fast, like fail fast and move on. And yeah. I realized after really let's be real. I realized before my wedding that I had failed in choosing a long-term partner.

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And at first I was so focused on what everyone else thought.

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And I, that's why I had the wedding. I, it was this big snowball that I couldn't fix. And I was worried about disappointing my parents. And I, I mean, of course you get engaged and then immediately everybody knows. And I got engaged two months before COVID hit.

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Two months go by. Then it's all anybody has to do and focus on is the wedding and talking about it. And we had a travel business. We weren't working. So it was just. I just realized I failed. And I remember after I left though, having a conversation with you and because you were one of the first people to be on my doorstep, literally, literally on my doorstep. And you were just like, no one cares.

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No one's going to care. Talk about it for a minute and they're going to move on. And I'm like, I'm literally going to live my life this way.

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When you start, when you do start to be like, Oh, I'm not sure. They're like, Oh, that's just nerves. That's just nerves.

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It's funny how we all do the same steps.

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Like playing around with the idea of not having the ring on anymore.

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And the people who might care for even a moment and have something to say are the people whose like opinions you don't really care about. Like the people who don't. negative reactions to my divorce or, you know, they, when I say negative reactions, usually it's them assuming something happened that didn't and, you know, placing a store on, on my life.

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Oh, I think, I mean, one, I think in general is just the assumption that like there was cheating and, And like, what other reason could there have been? And not to say I would stay with someone who cheated, but I'm like, there are worse things to do to a person than in a marriage and cheating. You're living your life with someone. Like, there are other things that are more important.

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It's really just assuming something like in general, but also assuming something shallow. I think that was like the biggest thing that irked me was was people assuming that, like, one of us must have cheated. And also, after the fact, the money situation, which I'm not... money is such a dirty word to so many people, but if you work hard, you're making money.

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And it just, it bothered me that a lot of the assumption was that I either married my ex-husband for money or that, you know, I was part of why I got divorced was because he couldn't afford to do something for me. Or I had a few people be like, oh, it's so nice that he's letting you live in that house. Letting, this is my fucking house. I bought this house.

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I'm also successful.

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I'm smart with money. I also surround myself with a lot of other people who are smart with money. And I know that life isn't fair, right? Like I have access to certain things. I have access to people who are great at business and I can learn from them, you know? But I'm also smart and I'm also a hard worker. And I just, the jump is so crazy to me.

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yeah that people can't understand it or that once that you even have to explain it why is the assumption that a man did something right yeah that or yeah let's be clear when I got divorced I had to pay my ex okay yeah I did not get a check I didn't say it I didn't say it I didn't say it

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When you have to do something hard, rip the bandaid off. Just do it quickly because when you're dragging it out, you think you're maybe like saving someone else's feelings or doing whatever. You're just making it harder for everybody else. And once you make that decision, of course, be sure. And especially with a relationship and a marriage, you have to be sure. But-

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you know, if you're sure, like I knew before, that's the first question people ask. They're, they're, they want to, because they want to know if they're in the same boat. They're like, oh, do, well, how did, did you know? When did you know? I'm like, I knew before I made a bad decision for other people. But once I decided, once I realized I did, I ripped the bandaid off.

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You saw how quickly it happened. Once I left the, when I made that decision, same day. All my stuff was out. And when people would ask, oh, would you go back? I did not return to that watering hole. Not once.

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I knew I had to move forward. And therapy. That's my other piece of advice. The first thing I did was I said, I'm going, I'm finding a therapist. I'm going twice a week for a year, which I know is a lot of therapy, but I've seen so many people. be in a similar situation and it take them a really long time to heal.

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And I felt like, you know, I was with this man for the majority, almost all of my twenties. I didn't want to waste any more time. And I wanted to be able to heal and, and take, you know, take the next step to be happy. I was miserable for a few years there and hiding it. I was like, I don't want to waste any more time not being happy. Cause that's really what it is.

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Like, it's just trying to make sure you're, you're happy. And, and that no one that, again, the advice that no one cares, but just, and leaning on your girlfriend.

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Honestly, I am having fun. And look, there's with anything in life, there's pros and cons, right? Like I do want to have a partner and settle down and do all this stuff, but we, our life expectancy is a lot longer than it used to be. 32 is young. I'm not in a rush whatsoever.

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Especially I always say like date, like a divorcee, because I am way more afraid of being in a relationship that's wrong than I am of being alone. And that's not to say I'm not afraid of being alone. I'm a normal person. No one wants to be alone, but I'm enjoying it. And also there's way more people that have like been divorced or called off an engagement.

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I just have to say, because I knew about your engagements, but when I started to get past the divorcing and I'm just, I was able to talk about it more freely. A lot of women have called off engagements and I know a lot of women who are divorced at 30 and, It's Emily Ratajkowski.

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I mean, the timing, she got divorced right around the same time that I got separated and I was like, okay, she's making it, she's making it cheap. And honestly, I thought it would be, I thought dating would be harder. I thought more like, I thought men would care that I was divorced. And yeah, None of them have. They ask if you're getting back together with your ex.

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And I'm like, oh, no, we don't have kids. We share a dog. But it's great that we share a dog because if I want to like run off with a guy on a trip, my ex-husband takes care of my dog. And Puck's going with his dad. He's going with his first daddy. We're looking for a stepdad.

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It's not a Knicks player. Everyone thinks I'm dating a Knicks player.

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I love to heckle a man. I think we should bring back booing men in public outside.

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And we FaceTimed every man he's ever dated, made out with.

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Thank you. You're doing your part.

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Look, I'm a real fan. I love sports. I grew up on sports, especially basketball. I've always enjoyed a heckle. And I support my team in the ways that I need to. And once a man is in the past, he's in the past.

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The thing is, first of all, he gets heckled all the time.

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I wanted to look if I was seeing someone today. And you did look at this man did nothing to me. He was actually... He was nice. He was so sweet. It fizzled out. He lives in a different city, like actively playing. And I like a full court press, okay? I like attention all the time. So if you can't give me attention all the time, I'm going to forget and I'm going to move on.

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But also I love a good heckle. And wait, this is... Wait, you know this part. One, I was invited... Let me say, I can't... I shouldn't say his name. I was invited to the game by... Yes. A prominent person within the basketball sphere who knew that I had previously dated this player. And I was asked to attend and heckle.

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I do what I can to support my team. And look, we're in the playoffs. So I did something right. And we were talking to my mom earlier when that team played the Pelicans in New Orleans. That's where I'm from. My mom heckled them too. And I didn't ask her to do that. She did that fully on her own.

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Yay. I'm a little bit nervous because we have no filter together and I'm going to forget that we're being filmed. I'm saying something I'm not supposed to say.

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Like mother, like daughter.

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What are you doing? And she's like, well, he ghosted our daughter. We have to say something. And then my dad's like, yeah, go after him. Yeah.

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He had no idea what was going on. But then I did. I did the courtesy thing the day of the game when they played the Knicks. I did text him and say, hey, I'm going to be heckling you tonight. And by the way, that was my mom. I haven't heard from him since.

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I mean, in terms of dating, I think when a man is, I don't, I'm not worried about hurting their feelings. I'm really not. I think that's good. I think that's good. I'm not. Especially now. I'm like, everything's like once again, after being married, every it's not that serious. None of it is that.

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I mean, we went on like a few dates, had a couple of like, you know, makeouts in a tunnel and like, it's fun.

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I'm saying I think we should heckle men in real life.

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heckle ladies that's right just let this guy text me the other day or he was like sliding into my dm saying some crazy crazy i should not tell his story please tell it okay he's also from a i'm not gonna we won't say his name um or any identifying factors but this is someone who should be concerned about someone screenshotting something which i didn't but like

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Leap out the names. That's all I expect.

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you should basically oh my god he's gonna watch this um this is someone who dm'd me and going from like fire emoji reactions to you know this is someone i dated like right after my divorce so like it was a thing it was nothing serious i know who they always like come back around and like fire emoji he goes from a couple fire emojis and me hearting it to do you want to peg me and i'm like

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Diabolical. What is going on? I leave him on read. I'm like, this is wild. I send out a voice note to a couple of my friends being like, isn't this crazy? I'm like, this guy's going to wake up tomorrow and be so embarrassed because he sent this message at like 2 a.m. And I'm like, he's going to be embarrassed by this. Next morning, absolutely not. Nobody does. He doubled down.

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We only use nicknames.

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He finds me in something I did years ago, which my friend Kat was like, oh my gosh, we have to start doing this like sleeper cell type behavior. I said he was right after my divorce. It was a fling. He had some toxic behavior. I went on Etsy, my favorite app. Shout out Etsy. And I bought him a trophy. for being toxic. And it was, it was, it said toxic King, his full name.

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I had it like custom made and I sent it to his house without any context. I didn't say it was from me or anything. And it was like a couple of weeks that went by with him, not knowing who sent it. And eventually he figured it out. And then I didn't respond to that like pegging message. The next day he sends me a picture of his trophy. He still has it. I thought you were going to say something else.

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and I replied being like see that's why you earned the trophy the fact that he still has this trophy this was like three years ago and it's still thinking about it and I'm like yeah he deserves that trophy so we need to heckle men in public and give them trophies for being terrible people for being toxic call them yeah award them for their toxic behavior not even awarding them it's really memorializing it you know yes never never forget

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Yeah, I'll send you the Etsy link because they have lots of different options. There's a Dickasaurus. When someone's being a dick, you can just like send them a trophy that they remember.

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It's like a dick on a T-Rex body.

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That was my first time as well. And like I said, I would think that'd be something you would have to like work up to asking someone to do.

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Well, sometimes it's just craziness. You can't do anything but laugh at it. Especially dating in New York. You're going to date some amazing guys. I reject the idea that dating in New York is bad. Me too. I love it. It's great. It's so much fun. And when you get a story like this, it's fun.

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Ho trip.

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You don't return a lot of your exes. And I'm not on bad terms with mine. I just like. Yeah. I usually block them or. Yeah. There's like a couple that I like will return to, but I'm not texting him at 2 a.m. Not to like. I love texting at 2 a.m.

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I am not an artist. Artist. Yeah, you know, my nudes are like Vogue level. I would. Yeah.

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With all that you're doing, you help me get these boobs. Okay.

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So our boobs are sisters as well. They're sisters. I mean, for the first year, anybody would FaceTime me and I'd rip my shirt off. I wanted everybody to see them. But like, I'm not a full, I'm a titty girl. I'm not a full frontal, but like, I don't think there's a bathroom in New York City I haven't taken a nude in. Yeah.

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Yeah. Nudes for girls. There's a very – you taught – not even taught me this because I knew before when I was – you told me this while I was like married, so it wasn't relevant at the time. But as much as like dick talk and sex talk and whatever both of us do, like there's not a lot of sex happening. Right.

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I'll make out with any, I'll make out with a tree.

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I'll show anybody my boobs. No, I don't do anything anymore. My top is pretty much always off. I'm never wearing clothes anyway. I put on clothes for you today, but if you've noticed, I keep being like, I wanted a little.

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Look, our rooms are expensive. Dr. Lawrence Copeland is not cheap. I didn't spend all this money to keep them hidden. And my girlfriends, they respond better. You guys have paid for them. You play with them. The tastefulness of like, you know, I say the lighting in my living room. You've taken nudes in here. I will invite friends over to be like, you need this morning light nude. Get it.

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Stock up.

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I don't know half the people I made out with.

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It's just funny because I'm divorced from this man now. But at the time, I was very excited. And I was dating maybe like six months into dating my ex-husband. And we had this thing where I would plan a trip. And last minute, his best friend would crash with a new girl every time. And I just could not understand why we couldn't have a trip alone. And I planned this trip to the Bahamas.

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Why he's confident, that's none of my business, you know?

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I know, I might end up in London though before you come back.

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Do it again. I love gossiping with you. There's like never enough time. We could keep going. You want me to tell more pegging stories? No, I only have the one. I only have the one.

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The hotel had just opened. I had worked in real estate development, so I knew the... owners of the hotel. So I had gotten a big suite and they had like cleaned up an extra room. So, you know, so this guy, we won't say his name could come and he brings not one, but two hoes. And at first I was so upset because they called, he called ahead of time and was like, so I'm bringing two girls.

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So I think I should get the bigger room in the suite. And I'm like, how are you crashing my trip and taking my romantic, you

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um and i was like oh these girls are going to be so obnoxious and by the end of the first night i wasn't even talking we weren't talking to the guys rolling on the floor laughing like drunk having the best time and i always say with my ex-husband the best thing i got out of him was my friends friends through him so a hundred percent okay yeah so

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And this was like the fourth or fifth trip that this guy had crashed and brought girls home.

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I'm a girls' girl. You're a girls' girl. But we had to, like, suss it out at first because I will say the other girls that had been brought on trips previously were not girls' girls. But I remember the moment when I realized you guys were, and it was because I had planned couples' massages.

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And, again, this guy was like, well, rather than you guys doing a couples' massage, why don't we take one of the masseuses and we'll just, you know... So what's going on? And you and our friend, can we say who it is? Alyssa? Yeah. Yeah. We can say who she is. She comes out and she's like, girl, like, we're not, we're not gonna let this happen.

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And like, you guys went and made sure I got my couples massage. You guys realized he was crossing a line. I was like, oh, girls, girls. And then we got that night and had a ball.

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We crashed some sort of red carpet event.

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Yeah, it was a very interesting time.

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Why don't they play music like that in nightclubs anymore? I know, yeah, they need to. I want the club to be just about to be shut up. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, almost 10 years. Yeah, like close to eight. Because I'm about to come on my 10-year anniversary of being in New York. Oh, and I met my ex like a year and a half in. So yeah, we're like a year and a half. That was eight years.

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I don't know where you are. The best thing is my mom is always watching the dots. And like clockwork, when we're together, she FaceTimes us.

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Well, you also have a very special bond with my mom, which I've told you this before, but – She had a similar upbringing to you. And it's something like a gap that my mom, my parents have obviously given me a great life and we've had our own issues and whatnot.

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I've talked about that on my podcast a little bit, but my parents are great parents, but there's a little bit of, there was always a disconnect between my mom and I, because I couldn't relate to her on a certain level because I hadn't experienced what she had experienced.

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And not just that I couldn't relate to her, but there was things that she maybe didn't share with me because she didn't think I could relate. And there was that mother daughter dynamic. And then when you came into our lives and we got a lot closer and particularly got closer with my mom, it helped my relationship with my mom because I was able. I remember we were sitting at San Ambrose.

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And I won't say what we were talking about. We were getting pretty deep and I was sitting there being like, wait, my mom is talking about things with you that I've never heard her talk about, about relationship with her mom and whatnot.

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And it was because she felt comfortable when there was like lessons that she could give you that, that weren't relevant to me because we hadn't had that same life experience. And I look at, at that as like, I wouldn't have that experience. That I would have never had certain conversations with my mom probably ever if you weren't in our lives.

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Oh, my God. I'm going to cry. I don't even know what to say after that. I didn't know that. It's so true.

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And then the fun stuff is that we get to hang out with my mom and we have our group text and she's so petty and we love it. Yeah. We tell her all the gossip. She's a federal judge. So she's like, no one ever tells me any gossip because they think I'm going to tattle on that.

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And I am no shame. He walks on water. But everyone loves my dad.

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Why didn't we start with a shot? I guess it's 11.

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Appointed by Obama.

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But she demands respect. It's funny how we get to experience my mom as this bubbly, fun, and she's drinking rosé with us in the Hamptons. And then when we walk into her courtroom, everyone's just bowing down to her.

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Yeah, I mean, she's putting away... you know, murderers, drug dealers and whatnot. And she's a five foot two on a good day. Yeah.

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I mean, she's always in a stiletto, but.

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They're very independent people. And had to do a lot on their own and that's something where my parents like now, obviously they're very successful, and they're in a position to help whenever they can but we didn't grow up that way I watched my parents build over the course of, you know, the, my 32 years of, of life you know they have this gorgeous house in the Hamptons and I just.

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you know, this only happened maybe like two years ago. And I remember sitting in the backyard with my dad and he was showing me how his, his sound system, he's got these rocks that like are speakers, like so excited about it. And he looks around and he was like, I can't fucking believe this. And he had said it under his breath to himself.

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Yeah. Well, what's that? Yeah. Okay. I got to look at my London clock. I've been saying, if you want to know how big of a hoe a girl is, look at her like time slots on, on the, the, what's it like the clock app.

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And it was this moment of him being like, I can't even believe I'm sitting here at this, that this is my house, you know, like, yeah, yeah. It's, And being able to see people really appreciate something and really work hard for it, that's something they've always instilled in me. My parents have made me work since I was maybe like 14. And I said this on my Instagram maybe a couple of months ago.

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And I thought it was so funny because I thought maybe everyone's parents did this, maybe whatever. But I always used to say, oh, my first job was when I was like 12. And I used to go into the office and I would shred papers. I worked at the legal office. I found out very recently that that was not a real job.

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that my dad would hang me, you know, and he would have me come to his office and I would have to like file and shred papers.

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They were like, you gotta work. Like, you know, and when they got to, when I got to an age where they could, you know, they could help me in certain ways. It was, it's never been, they've never made it easy, but I'm, glad that they didn't make it easy. I wouldn't be the person I am or a hard worker.

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I mean, when I started my first business and I wanted to, to have my dad invest and it wasn't an incredible amount of money, it was more than I had. I needed, you know, and he shortchanged me by, I think I asked him for 20 or like $20,000. That's how much we need. And yes, that's a lot of money to start a business though. It's a little different. To start a business. To start a business.

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What I was trying to do was, Matt, I started with my ex-husband. We were just dating at the time, and I really wanted to be 50-50 with him. I was putting in more of the sweat equity, let's be real. But financially, I wanted to be 50-50 so that we weren't married at the time. I wanted some security, and I knew I couldn't financially afford to bridge that gap.

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So I essentially was asking my dad for a loan. I asked for $20,000. When I had, when I asked for it, I had to do a full presentation. Like I was like going to the sharks and at the end, he still short changed me five grand. He said, you got to make, got to make the other five grand on your own. I think you can do it. And I figured it out.

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Like where are you trying to make sure you know what time it is at any given time? I need to text a man. I need to know what time it is where he is.

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And maybe eight months later, I was able to cut him a check to pay him back.

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Oh, my mom is writing a book right now.