Rick Edwards

It's a party, basically.

And yes, the demographic has changed slightly, but it just feels very good fun, irrespective of what's happening on the pitch, really.

But the party is a good coping mechanism as well.

Let's go back to 1998 then.

So June the 10th, Scotland drawn to play defending champions Brazil in the opening game in Paris.

When that draw came out, what did you think, Paul?

over the moon it was like playing the Brazil I love Brazil and playing the world champions at the opening ceremony it was like our world cup final and I'm thinking this is our world cup final centre stage got to be there yeah it was just an unbelievable draw we didn't have any expectations so it's not even a free hit because there's no expectation and the anticipation was building up to it was so good because you know you'd known for four or five months that's who you were playing you know

I didn't have tickets.

I didn't have tickets for that game.

I had for the other two.

And so did you get in then, Ian?

Yeah, we... I mean, not in with Rod Stewart, obviously.

It's enough to say that you got in.

It's fine.

We ended up in the square you were talking about.

At the Hotel de Ville, about 10,000, mostly Scottish supporters, some Brazilians, and then anyone who supported anyone, not Brazil, was supporting us, so it was a great atmosphere.

I think there was about 60,000 Scots went over there, and clearly not all of them were in.

No.

No.

Ian, I just want you to tell me the story about the flag because I've read about it and it's one of the greats.