Rick Rubin

And sometimes the energy of yearning for change can lead to really beautiful music.

Right.

Wow.

The most recent one was

I made an album, the last album of Kesha.

And she had gone through a very difficult experience.

And she told me that it was a very healing experience working on the album and different than any experience she'd had previously where it was much more about commerce before.

Probably the biggest one was, you know, I was overweight most of my life and it was, I was not comfortable in my body and I always felt like an outsider and felt like it limited what I could do.

Yeah.

So I think probably weight was my biggest issue.

What was the root behind that you think?

I think it was mostly bad information.

Um, although my mom was obese, so I thought it's just genetic and I tried everything.

I tried every, uh, every type of diet, nothing worked.

And then eventually I found the correct balance and, you know, I was a vegan for 23 years and I weighed 318 pounds as a vegan.

Wow.

Yeah, you can be a sick vegan.

I was very sick as a vegan and I wasn't getting what I needed.

Right.

And it's basically a carbohydrate diet.