Rick Rubin

But it's also something about staying true to yourself in terms of, um,

If you come up making a certain kind of music and you get popular making that music, a feeling of, well, this is all anybody wants from me.

So even though I don't care about it anymore, I have to keep doing it.

That's a disaster as well.

Right.

That doesn't work.

There've been a lot.

I can say the first time I was in the studio with Carlos Santana and he started playing guitar.

It felt like this is coming from another planet.

Or John Frusciante, when he plays from the guitarist in the Red Hot Chili Peppers, when he plays guitar, it's a transcendent experience.

Spiritual.

Yeah.

And there's a drummer named Chris Dave, who's the best drummer I've ever heard.

And no matter what he plays, anything he plays is the greatest thing you've ever heard.

The simplest thing.

He can make anything interesting just the way he plays it.

Not the parts.

It doesn't have to be complicated.

It doesn't have to be, look at me.

Just the touch, the feel, the tone is miraculous.