Rick Shenick

And she's fully supporting me in that.

So we have two kids, so it's a bit, yeah, it really puts things in perspective of how...

that this company has to do do well so with the cup last couple months like sales have been a bit down it's really stressful so oh yeah um but but my wife supports me uh doing this uh which is lovely and i'm i'm at home uh i work from home so the kids i see them a lot and uh

yeah that's that's great what is your and when covid hit and sales took a hit and you had to have a conversation with your wife and say hey listen like listen sales are taking a hit and it was obviously a very stressful time how did that conversation sound yeah well she's like well we have we have saved up a bunch of money in the in the start of the year so she's fine with it so it's not it's not like it's not like the company's going under or something but it's just like 30 40 percent

uh, drop in sales since June.

So that is kind of stressful, but it's still enough to keep, uh, to support a family.

It's bootstrapped.

Yeah.

Marketing.

Uh,

I had some offers from family members, but eventually it just felt good to do it all on my own.

I love to build the stuff on my own.

Yeah, it's completely free.

So it's mostly a marketing product.

So it's a free library for developers.

us to use it looks fantastic and and they'll sorry the question the question is i'm just curious so which product makes the most money for you under kina it's doka doka image editor how do you spell that uh d-o-k-a d-o-k-a okay got it and so file pond is the free version of doko it's like the the it's it's a it's a different product but the doka is like a uh

FilePont offers file uploading and image uploading, and then often you want your customers to also allow, you want them to be able to edit images as well.

And then that's where Doka comes in, and they integrate very easily.

So it's a five-minute integration.

So if a customer already has FilePont, they'll look at Doka if they...