Rick Spence
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first heard Oct 2024
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So there's this whole connection between the kind of Russian journalistic world and the French journalistic world and all of these scandals which are going on and Jolie's son. And then, you know, 10 years down the road, this thing pops up in a newspaper in St. Petersburg. That's where I think the origins lay.
Well, it doesn't take off immediately. Okay, never receives any kind of wide, I mean, nobody much reads the first edition of it. When it's re-edited, it keeps getting, there are something like 18 or 19 different versions as it goes through. I mean, it gets, you know, people leave this protocol out or leave another one.
As time goes on, there's more and more emphasis on Jews and less and less on Freemasons. So it's sort of, and the whole thing could have begun as an anti-Masonic tract. I mean, you could leave Jews out of it entirely and just turn it into a Masonic plot to rule the world. But let's just throw them in as well, since the two things are already being combined elsewhere.
It doesn't become a big deal until really after the First World War, because the initial versions of it are all in Russian. And, you know, let's face it, while that's widely read in Russia, it's not much read anywhere else. It's a different alphabet. Nobody can even see what it means. So it has no particular influence outside of Russia.
But then you get to 1919 and you get all these different versions of it. So suddenly you get two English versions in the U.S., another English version in Britain, a German edition, a French edition, a Dutch edition. Everybody is coming up with these things.
So it's not until in the immediate aftermath of the First World War that this metastasizes and it begins to show up in all of these different foreign editions. And I think that it just has to do with the changes that have taken place during the war. One of the things that people began looking for was that, why was there a war?
And we've just had this whole disastrous war and the world has been turned upside down. So there has to be some kind of explanation for that. I don't know. And one of the things this offered is, see, there's this evil plan. There's this evil plan that has been put into motion. And this could possibly explain what's taking place.
The reason why the protocols were, I think, widely bought then, and why they still are in many ways, is the same reason that the taxel hoax I was talking about was. Because it told a story that people wanted to believe. So in France in the 1890s, there was widespread suspicion of Freemasons. It was seen as a somewhat sinister, secretive organization, certainly secretive.
And there was also the same sort of generalized prejudices about Jews. clannish, distinct, too much influence, all of the things that went on. So it was sort of easy to combine those two things together. And even though Taxel admits it was a hoax, there were those who argued that this is just too, it's too accurate. It describes things too completely to be a hoax.
And then you get the same arguments. In fact, I've heard the same arguments with the protocols. I don't even buy this as an example of plagiarism because you can't actually prove what's being plagiarized in any sense. To me, the protocols are a prime example of what I call a turd on a plate. These things crop up. I have to explain that now. Yeah, please. What is a turd on a plate?
Well, a turd on a plate is a turd on a plate. Suppose you come in and there's a plate sitting on the table and there's a turd on it. Now, the first thing you're going to want is, is that a turd? Is it a human turd? Where did it come from? Why would someone poop on a plate? There are all these questions that come to mind. It makes no sense. But that's what you come... It's just there, right?
I don't know where it came from. I don't know why. But there's a turd on a plate. And that's what the protocol is, that they're just there.
Let's blame them. So one of the first occasions you find the idea that Jews are a distinct, mean-spirited, nasty people goes back to a Greco-Egyptian historian named Manetho. This is around, I think, 300 B.C., early. Can't even rope the Romans into this one. So, Manetho is trying to write a history of the dynasties of Egypt.
I think his history of dynasties of Egypt still is one of the basic works in this, but he tells this whole story, which essentially describes the kind of first blood libels that the, you know, the Jews to celebrate their, you know, various religious holidays would capture Greeks and fatten them up in the basement and then slaughter them and eat them or drain their blood or do something. Yeah.
It's just the sort of earlier version of that kind. Also, I think it repeats the sort of Egyptian version of the Exodus out of Egypt, which is quite different than the biblical version. In this case, the Egyptian, you know, they, They stole all the stuff out of the Egyptians' houses and ran off into the desert. The Jews stole all the stuff and ran off. Yeah, Hebrews. Hebrews robbed the Egyptians.
They were taken in. We took them in and sheltered them, gave them jobs, and then they stole all the jewelry and ran away. We didn't even chase them. We were glad to see them gone. So it's a different narrative on that story. But it essentially portrays the Jews as being hostile. They don't like other people. They're contemptuous of other people's religions, the rest of it.
And see, the Greeks tended to think of themselves as being extremely cosmopolitan. Now, the Greeks run across people worshiping other gods. They go, oh, those are just our gods under different names. Everything was sort of adjusted to their landscapes. So you end up with that kind of hostility, which was there at the time.
And that was probably influenced also by some of these earlier rebellions that had taken place in Egypt. During the Roman period, you not only have the Judean rebellion in 70 AD, but you have a couple of other uprisings in North Africa. And they're very... bloody affairs. And in some cases, Jews begin massacring other people around them. They start killing the Greeks.
The Greeks start killing them. So there was a fair amount of, from that period on, a certain amount of bad blood of mutual contempt between Greeks or between Hellenes, between the people who became Hellenized, as the Romans would be, and the Jews. And the Romans also seem to have developed much of that idea.
They consider Judea as being a horrible place to have to govern, inhabited by a stubborn, obnoxious people. Not well-liked.
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