Rick Spence
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first heard Oct 2024
last heard Oct 2024
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I think everybody has probably pretty much heard that story before. And of course, the question is, why Cielo Drive? Why Sharon Tate, Frykowski, and the rest of them? Manson was familiar with the place. He had been there before. Members of the family had been there before. So he knew where it was. It wasn't an easy place to find.
I mean, the way that that house, the house, the original house is no longer there, but the same sort of property in a house is built there. And if you didn't know where it was, it's not someplace, let's just go for a drive in the Hollywood Hills and murder people in a house. Well, that isn't the one that you would come across. There are lots of connections there.
Wojtek Frykowski, who was one of the people killed at the Cielo Drive house, was involved in drug dealing. That's a possible connection between the two, probably a fairly likely one. Probably not unfortunate Sharon Tate at all. She was probably in the wrong place at the wrong time. Her husband might've been, you never know.
And then the next night after the slaughter there, which by the way, Manson is not at. So this is one of the interesting things about it is Charles Manson doesn't kill any of these people.
His crime is supposedly ordering the killings to be done. He supposedly thought that the killings at the Tate house were sloppy.
And he was going to give everybody a crash course in how you apparently commit seemingly random murders. So the next night, he takes a group of people over to LaBianca's house in a different section of LA. And you've got Lena and Rosemary, LaBianca. The guy's a grocer. His wife runs a dress shop. Upper middle class. And, you know, they're bound, gagged, and hacked to death.
And as at the Tate residence, various things like piggy are written, you know, various messages in blood, things that are supposed to look like cat's paws, because one of the groups trying to be framed for this was the idea was the Black Panthers.
So the general story that comes out in the subsequent trial is that this was all a part of something called Helter Skelter, which Manson supposedly was an idea that that sounds like a Beatles song. That's where he got it from. He thought the Beatles were talking to him through their music and that there was going to be an apocalyptic race war. And this was all part of a plan to set this off.
So this is why the Black Panthers were trying to be implicated in this. although how it was supposed to do that is never really explained. Here is what I think was really happening, what really happened and how I think it fits together.
Before Sharon Tate and her friends or the LaBiancas were killed, there was a murder by members of the family of some of the same people involved in the later killings of a musician drug manufacturer by the name of Gary Hinman. So Manson, again, was involved in the drug trade. And Hinman made them. He was a cook, basically.
And he brewed them up in his basement, sold the drugs to Manson, who sold them to biker gangs like the Straight Satans, which was one of the groups that he used, and they distributed them elsewhere. Well, one day, the Straight Satans show up and complain that the last batch of meth or whatever it was that they got from Manson had made some of their brothers very, very ill.
And they were quite unhappy about that.
And they wanted their $2,000 back. Manson had gotten those drugs from Gary Hinman. So he is unhappy.
And he sends Bobby Bose away and a couple of the girls over to Hinman's place to get the money from him. It's a story that's related, I think, by Susan Atkins. Hinman denied that there was anything wrong with his drugs and refused to pay up, which led to an interrogation torture session in which he was killed. And the idea was here, what are we going to do with that?
Well, one of the other groups that Hinman had sold drugs to were, guess what? People associated with the Black Panthers. So we'll leave these things up and we'll make them, they will do it. So it's Bobby Beausoleil. who then takes Hinman's car and decides to drive it up the coast. By the way, with a bloody knife with Hinman's blood and hair on it and blood on the seats in the car.
And then he pulls it off the road and decides to sleep it off and he gets busted. So find Hinman's body, find Beausoleil in Hinman's car with a bloody knife with him. Yeah, he gets arrested. So Beausoleil was very popular with some of the girls. There's consternation in the family that Bobby has been arrested. So how can we possibly get Bobby out of jail? Copycat killings.
So if we go kill more people and we make it look the same, then see, Bobby couldn't possibly have done it. No, see, he just borrowed the car. Okay, he stole the car, but the knife was already in. He didn't have anything to do with this. So that, to me, makes the most sense out of what followed. How often do people talk about that theory? That's an interesting theory. Well, it's there.
It's just not the one that... Bookley obviously wanted to go with Helter Skelter because it was, again, it was a story that people could understand.
And it was sensational and it would catch on. Also, another probable issue in that was that his star witness was Linda Kasabian. Linda Kasabian... She was present at both the Tate and LaBianca murders. She didn't participate in the killings, according to her. She sort of drives the car, but everybody else talked about what had happened.
Well, okay, she turns state's evidence and gets total immunity, and it's largely in her testimony that all the rest of the case is based on Now, if you start throwing into the equation that she proclaimed her love for Bobby Beausoleil and that she, according to others, was the chief proponent of the copycat killings, well, then that would get messy.
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