Rima Grace

That's interesting.

Yeah, and also I imagine a lot of people don't even know or can recognize that what they're doing is a problem, right?

Yeah.

Hannah, when people struggle with impulsive financial behaviors, what do you usually tell them?

Like what actually helps people pause before acting on that impulse?

Taking a step back and thinking about the casinification of our economy, something I often will talk about with my friends or think about is just what happens when people have a financial stake in things like elections and wars or natural disasters and how that changes how we relate to those events, but also to each other.

What are y'all's thoughts on that?

Interesting.

Yeah, no, I can't imagine that position.

But I also think about the kind of markets that are betting on things like, you know, how many earthquakes are there going to be this year and how that changes how we relate to those events and to human suffering.

How long will this famine last?

Yeah, planting all these seeds of doubt.

Yeah.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

So before we wrap the conversation, kind of a big question, but what do we do about this?

What should we do about this broader shift towards everything seemingly turning into a wager?

Like, what are the solutions here or the structural changes that you all would like to see?

Yeah.

How about you, Hannah?

What do you think?