Rizwan Virk

Well, we can talk about that.

I'm peripherally involved with it.

With the Galileo Project at Harvard and the Sol Foundation at Stanford, which are like the two academic UFO research groups that are out there.

Avi Loeb is running the one at Harvard and Gary Nolan is running that.

You had Gary on your show, right?

I'm happy to talk about UFO stuff where it overlaps with simulation theory.

Yeah, well, so first question, how did I get involved in this, right?

So I was a video game developer in Silicon Valley, and then I became an investor in the video game industry, my background's in computer science.

And what happened was after I sold my last video game company back in 2016, so we're talking like seven years ago now,

eight years ago now, and I put on a virtual reality headset and started playing a VR ping pong game.

Now these headsets were even bigger than they are now, and they were wired, so there's no mistaking you're in virtual reality.

But what happened was that the ping pong game was so realistic

that for a moment my brain forgot that this wasn't a real game of table tennis.

So much so that I tried to put the paddle down on the table and I tried to lean against the table, but of course there was no table.

So the controller fell to the floor and I almost fell over.

I had to do one of these double takes like, oh wait, I'm just in VR.

So I started to think about how long would it take us to build something like The Matrix, something that's so immersive that you would forget

Right.

That you were inside a video game.

And so that led me to this idea of the simulation point, which is a kind of technological singularity.