Ro Khanna

Yeah.

Did you think that the Epstein files were going to be maybe the greatest lever on convincing apolitical people that actually the government might be able to hold incredibly wealthy and powerful people to account?

We're talking at a time near the end here when one of my classmates, Vivek Ramaswamy, your buddy.

Were you in class with him?

Yeah, we took Moral Reasoning 22 Justice together.

Oh, and Vivek, as we've discussed on my show previously, was the very useful and very proud person

verbose libertarian.

Even back then.

Of course, we got to debate with Sandell and he was, by the way, insufferable but fascinating and a guy that I continue to think about as I watch him log off.

So he has decided, we were talking the same week when he has decided to log off Twitter.

He's off Instagram, he's off Instagram,

His campaign staff, I guess, will monitor those accounts.

But he's saying, actually, we got to get off this thing.

And that is the opposite of the approach that you continue to take.

And so what did you think when you saw that?

It is darkly ironic, I suppose, that we are talking about the problems wrought by someone like Elon Musk while both of us continue to be on X side.

engaging and fueling a platform that he has bought to control the debate.

And so I guess what I'm left thinking about here at the end is I think it's probably healthy for most, if not all of our nation's children or young people to like get the off Twitter.

But I do think your curse, your responsibility is that you got to fight for the issues that matter.

on that same battlefield.