Rob Walling

How much interest do they have in the position?

Because the more interested someone is, the more likely they're going to love what they do and want to really drive it forward and take ownership.

Here's the other thing.

Project level and especially owner level thinkers, they can work anywhere.

How do you convince them to work for you?

That's the other thing, right?

Is to build something that's so interesting and whether that's just your culture, whether it's the product you're working on, but something that is appealing and interesting and you're painting a picture of the vision of where's a company going to be in two years, three years, five years or whatever.

When I get asked that when I'm interviewing candidates, I mean, tell me I can't paint the picture of where I want MicroConf and TinySeed to be in three or five years.

We are impacting founders everywhere.

at a grand scale.

And I want to keep doing that.

I want to keep running these events.

And you're surrounded by ambitious entrepreneurs who are executing every day.

Those are the people we're dealing with.

This is the best job I've ever had.

Literally the best job I've ever had is working at MicroConf and TinySeed.

And so our ability to recruit folks of this level becomes a little easier because we do have something interesting we're working on.

But back in the days of Drip, when it was just Derek and I hacking away on a

a little email service provider and went to hire our first developers, everybody wanted to work with us.

Because A, it was remote work, and B, because it was really exciting.