Startups For the Rest of Us
Episode 826 | How to Find, Hire, and Work with Owner-Level Thinkers
31 Mar 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
When I first started my career, I was a task level thinker. I just couldn't do multiple things at once. I couldn't prioritize. I couldn't manage it.
Chapter 2: What are the different levels of thinkers in a business?
I couldn't keep all the plates spinning. And then over the course of the first five-ish, six-ish years, I remember getting to the point where I was really comfortable running projects. And I think I became a solid project level thinker at that point.
Chapter 3: Are owner-level thinkers born or developed over time?
And then as I dipped my toe into becoming an entrepreneur, I wasn't an owner level thinker because I needed too much certainty. I couldn't make hard decisions with incomplete information. I didn't know how to do that.
Chapter 4: What is the compensation range for owner-level thinkers?
And then it took me another five to eight years to really feel into it and to be confident in my own ability to trust my founder gut and to develop my founder gut to the point where I was making good decisions because that's what being an owner level thinker requires.
Chapter 5: Should you hire owner-level thinkers as W2 employees or contractors?
Welcome back to another episode. Start up to the rest of us. I'm your host, Rob Walling. And in this episode, I'm going to dive into themed listener questions.
Chapter 6: Do you really need owner-level thinkers for your business?
So if you don't know, I've recently started writing again, publishing essays for the first time really since about 2011. And I'm doing that over at robwalling.com.
Chapter 7: Where can you find project and owner-level thinkers?
If you enter your name and email in any of the forms on that site, you can start receiving a weekly thought from me. And some of these are mental models, they're frameworks, they're questions that I'm often asked. by founders, whether that's from TinySeed on this podcast, in the MicroConf community, direct via email.
Chapter 8: How long does it take to integrate new hires into your company?
And most of these are concepts that I have not covered in a prior book. Some of them are concepts that I've developed here on this podcast or am developing on the podcast. And I realized that I'm putting out a ton of audio content every year, a ton of video content on youtube.com slash at Rob Walling, but I haven't really done serialized written content in quite a long time.
And I decided that I wanted to double down on that modality this year because I feel like there are a lot of folks who maybe don't want to listen to audio or video and the way they learn best is through written content. So if you head to robwalling.com, you'll hear a new thought from me every week.
As I've been doing this though, it's been this great feedback loop because I'm sending out these emails and receiving a lot of questions about them. And when it's as easy as just hitting reply to an email and shooting me a question, I feel like I get a lot more questions about the topics.
I'm also getting a lot of thanks and I'm glad you're writing again, which makes me feel really motivated and makes me feel grateful to have such an awesome community. But recently I sent out an email about task level, project level, and owner level thinkers.
And in response to that, I received a lot of questions about how to find them and how expensive are they and how do you identify them and so on. And so I wanted to spend a good chunk of this episode talking about how to do just that. And if you're not on the list yet and you missed that email, don't worry, my friend.
I'm putting all of these emails into a sequence such that if you sign up today, you will receive the emails that I sent a few weeks ago. But if you aren't already on my email list, you should head to robwalling.com and just look for any email opt-in. There's one in the footer, there's one in the sidebar of the blog.
And I'm also publishing some of those emails as new essays at robwalling.com slash essays. And finally, if you are on YouTube and you're not watching me, youtube.com slash at Rob Walling. I'm putting out a video every other week and it's completely new content that is not done on this podcast and not sent out via email to my list.
So you get just a lot more of my thinking by hitting all three of those avenues. And with that, let's dive into my first reader question. Since I didn't get permission in advance from everyone who responded to me, I'm going to leave folks anonymous. But my first question asker responded to, again, to this email about task level, owner level, and project level thinkers.
And actually, let me do a quick definition of those three levels in case you haven't read the book or you missed the podcast episode. So I have a mental framework about different levels of ability with folks who you work with.
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