Rob Walling

But I didn't really have a choice because I needed to pay the bills.

And if I didn't want to work, I could go home.

and not work.

It was just a non-negotiable to exist.

So I showed up every day and I did things I didn't want to do.

This was much like playing sports, although sports was more of my choice.

I didn't have to run track and play football, but working a job as a construction worker was just something, it was just something that I did.

And while I didn't love it, I didn't really question it either.

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But day to day, I was like, no, this is what I have to do.

The hard work is non-negotiable.

And there were no shortcuts around it, even when the work was unglamorous.

And I think that the lessons from both sports and from working as a construction worker paid huge dividends for me years later.

Because I was able and willing to grind in a way that...

I don't know that everyone is.

And when I get emails on this podcast about folks who are like, yeah, I don't really have that much motivation to do it.

And it's like, well, I'm not sure that you're going to be willing to do the grind and to do the hard things.

Or I see folks, the indie hacker types on Twitter, where it's like, I'm just going to launch 20 projects.

And it's like, it seems like you're not really willing to do the hard work.

Because the fun work is launching 20 projects.