Rob Wiblin

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1,787 appearances 3 recordings 1 series first heard Sep 2024 last heard May 2025

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"The Cognitive Revolution" · AI Control: Using Untrusted Systems Safely with Buck Shlegeris of Redwood Research, from the 80,000 Hours Podcast · 4 May 2025 podcast

Yeah.

Uh they're getting better.

You're saying the the sorts of internal controls that you would need on employees to ensure that a rogue employee can't cause a bunch of havoc is actually quite challenging.

possible for the AI to collude?

Okay.

So I think I think that's but the humans and the uh AIs n don't have under perfect understanding of one another and they don't hang out.

That's right.

I mean you gotta you gotta

That's right.

But are the companies going to do any of this stuff?

I mean, you're you're right, you're right that they could be constantly running sting operations against their own staff where they pretend to be a misaligned AI that's that's try to collude with them.

But I don't think they currently do that.

Uh they do not currently do that.

And it's a bit weird.

So I'm not sure that they actually will start doing that anytime soon.

Maybe.

I I I don't know.

Maybe I should try harder on this.

I mean, is this part of the basic asks for the companies that they should be trying to do these things?

Okay.

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