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Rob Wiblin

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80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

Birth rates have been going down rather than going up, despite us being richer.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

So it's been the first two factors that have been playing off against one another.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

Advances getting harder to make.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

science advancing, giving us better tools to do it.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

These two things have been roughly canceling out, and over the medium term, growth has been about 3% a year, maybe going down in recent times.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

Zooming out much further, all three factors were in play.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

Before the Malthusian era ended, as we got richer, we drove

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

much, almost all of those resources into additional people as well.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

But that faded out after 1800.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

And that was leading to hyperbolic growth.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

That was leading to increasing rates of growth while it was true.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

Now, applying this to the AI case, that means to figure out which situation we're in,

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

This model, this mental model, puts a huge emphasis on, are we coming up with better tools to do science?

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

Or are we plowing our gains back into more researchers to do science and to have more people thinking up better ideas or new ideas?

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

You can see why it gets a bit confusing here when we're talking about AI doing the research, because AI is both a tool, but we're thinking it's going to basically converge and become people or become scientific researchers itself.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

So it becomes a difficult conceptual empirical question.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

At what point do they cross over from being largely a tool that is assisting humans in doing their work to being the researcher itself that isn't really just assisting people, it's doing the whole process.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

or at least we should no longer be just considering it as a scientific instrument that's allowing us to do better work.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

And I think you wanna say people are being a bit sloppy about, they talk about indicators that really are a sign that we've developed better tools for humans to use to do their work.

80,000 Hours Podcast
What it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') | Rohin Shah

And they kind of conflate that with, we've developed autonomous AI R&D that barely even needs people at all and really should be considered as a population increase.