Rob Wiblin

But if you want people to be using it on any actually commercial models anytime soon, then it has to be as simple as possible and well-established as possible.

Yeah.

What extent of research has been most useful to GDM so far?

I think...

So this is the Buck's Ligurus and Ryan Greenblatt episodes earlier in the year.

I guess Buck's Ligurus in particular talking about the AI control agenda.

I feel like that episode didn't like make quite as much of a splash as I was hoping or expecting at the time.

But the amount that like people in the industry like keep constantly referring back to it, I think that means that if people didn't listen to it at the time, because for whatever reason, it just didn't sound quite exciting enough.

I think that, you know, give it another look.

Maybe go back and have a listen, because I think it is a very important kind of foundational work that is only getting more relevant.

Yeah, definitely.

So I imagine a lot of people would love to get a job at GDM and even people at other AI companies already might be interested in considering switching given the advances that GDM has made in its models in recent years.

What sorts of skills or roles are you finding hardest to fill?

And I guess what sort of skills are maybe hardest to find out in the labor market?

Are there any particular roles that you're hiring for at the moment or hiring for a lot in general?

Because it's felt to me like Anthropic is hiring hand over fist and OpenAI, there's always a lot of roles there.

Is it a similar situation for you?

Yeah, I think folks are going to have to introduce, I guess, a fee to fill out forms like that or to apply for jobs, which people also hate for other reasons.

But I don't really see the alternative now that it's possible for AIs to submit completely indistinguishable applications.

That can be as fake as you like.