Rob Wiblin

Or was it kind of, well, we'll try getting the project going and that will test the relationship?

Are there any ideas that charity entrepreneurship has kind of shortlisted as promising interventions that people should scale up that you're particularly excited by that you'd like to see listeners maybe jump on?

Yeah.

Do you have a view on this question of how broad the program should be that charities should run?

So to explain what I mean, I guess one vision for Civita might be that it's really good at delivering the SMS and the ambassadors, and then it should expand into all kinds of other health interventions in order to have more impact and use the expertise that it's developed.

An alternative might be, no, Civita should specialize in this one thing and absolutely kill it and just get as big as it can with that, rather than diluting itself into other areas where maybe it's not going to be quite strong.

And if someone wants to deliver a different intervention, they should start a new organization that just nails that other thing.

Yeah, do you have a view on that?

Yes, speculating.

What else might the ambassadors be useful for spreading?

The first one that jumped into my head was getting people to quit smoking, but I suppose that's maybe a much heavier lift.

No, okay, you're shaking your head.

Do you know what was done in countries like the UK or the US to get really high levels of childhood immunization in the past?

So it's actually not so different, this intervention, than what the UK is already doing, for example.

All right, we'll stick up a link to the charity entrepreneurship website where I guess you can find out about the process for applying and take a look through all of these really interesting white papers that they've written where they look at different interventions where no one's particularly trying to scale that intervention at the moment and evaluate them on a whole bunch of different criteria, like how practical is it?

How cost effective might it be?

Yeah, I think it seems like a really cool program.

And I've enjoyed looking at some of the other organizations that have gone through charity entrepreneurship as part of prepping for this interview.

It's pretty inspiring to see people out there doing things on the ground and not just releasing podcasts.

Let's talk maybe for a minute about, yeah, current opportunities to work at Civita.