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Rob Wiblin

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1910 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And then at the last stage, it might be going, it might go back to the first scenario I talked about where it's like, oh, the narrow AIs that are just like savants at AI R&D hit upon an algorithm in almost like a blind search, like almost like if you imagine alpha fold, like it is brilliant at like figuring out how proteins fold, but isn't

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Yeah, it isn't like broadly aware.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Like you could imagine such AIs or like an algorithmic search process hitting upon an architecture or like a training strategy that then can go foom really quickly.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And so in this lead up, you're like, yep, AI is accelerating AI R&D.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

It's crunch time.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

We have six months left.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

We have three months left.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

But like these AIs are not the AIs that you can use for anything useful.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Yeah, I think that the further afield you go from work that looks like doing ML research and doing software engineering, the greater a penalty they'll probably be.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

The AIs currently are much better at helping my friends who do

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

ml research all day than me where i do you know weird thinking and like go on these kinds of podcasts and like write emails to people uh making like grant decisions and stuff like that it's it's much worse at that stuff you can see already that it's got like a very specialized skill profile

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Fortunately, I do think that at least AI safety, there's a big chunk of AI safety research that does look very similar to ML research.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And I do think like, you know, my friends who are getting like big speed ups from AI are safety researchers and they're doing the kinds of work, control, alignment, et cetera, that I think will be like some of the most important things you want these AIs to be helping with at the very beginning.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

But yeah, stuff like AI for epistemics, AI for moral philosophy, AI for negotiation, AI for policy design, all that stuff just may not be that good, doesn't necessarily have to be good by default, and that's a big concern of the plan.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Yeah, and in general, I think of AIs doing defensive labor as a prediction about the world that you want to try and be thinking about as you make your plans.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

It's not a guarantee, and in many cases, the answer will be to do

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

to specialize now in doing the kinds of things that might be hardest for the AIs to do then.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And I think stuff like building a bunch of physical infrastructure to like stockpile a bunch of PPEs and vaccines and things like that is a prime candidate for something that just inherently takes a long lead time and that the AIs might not be that advantaged at at the point that they're good at doing the like scary things that it's meant to protect against.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

Yeah, I think that in general you should expect AIs to be much better at things that there are tighter feedback loops on, where you can recognize success after a short period of time.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Every AI Company's Safety Plan is 'Use AI to Make AI Safe'. Is That Crazy? | Ajeya Cotra

And that's one of the reasons why they're really, really good at coding, because you can just train them on this very hard-to-fake signal of, like, did the code run after you did whatever you did with it?