Robert Glazer

And I was like, I felt a little like, you know, a finger painter sending something to Picasso.

You know, I was like, so, you know, what do you guys think of this?

And they were both like, we really like it.

And I asked Pat about the title.

He's like, I'm very good at titles.

He's like the compass with it.

You know, he and some options.

So.

I and it gave me the confidence, I think, and I had to convince a publisher that, you know, I could they don't love parables.

But what's so interesting to me, Jamie is the protagonist in this story.

And you you watch him go through struggling with what I call the big three, his community, his vocation and his partner.

And the people who've read the book in the early book, they all say to me like, oh, I saw him.

I had like, they just see themselves in James.

They remember that conversation with their boss, that thing in their town.

He just kind of serves as a mirror.

And I think, you know, as I have discussions with people like you about this, it proves that like,

Because people start with, and they might've started listening to this episode.

They're like, oh, core values.

This is so abstract or whatever.

And then we get down into like the nitty gritty of what does it look like and actionable in these decisions?