Robert Pape

And this is true in a lot of other – you see this in The Godfather.

How does The Godfather become The Godfather in Godfather Part 2?

He doesn't keep giving in to the old guy.

He literally kills him.

That's denial.

That's actually a denial strategy.

And he becomes The Godfather here, but it's not through punishment.

He's not actually –

engaging in the punishment spirals, you see what I'm saying?

And this is the problem.

The reason is that these are, another way to put it is, once you see that I'm willing to hurt you this way, everything becomes about future pain.

It's not just the current idea, because why am I going to stop?

And this is just true in general.

So the punishment, now sometimes with the punishment, the other side just stays passive, so it doesn't always have the backlash, but

often if they have an opportunity like once i start to threaten you to take that and threaten to hurt put the pen in your hand uh here what you're going to start to think about is well wait a minute um they're going to bring me a cup of coffee and while i'm looking down that's when you're going to hit me you see because you're lashing back because you you're worried that

Once I drink that cup of coffee, I'm coming right back at you with more demands, more threats to hurt you bodily.

This is just the way it is.

So almost like on the playground, you start to give in to the bully.

you're his or her forever.

You see, you're not just, it's not a- In this case, U.S.