Robert Pape

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2,835 appearances 10 recordings 4 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 30 Jun

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Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar · 6/30/26: MAGA Meltdown Over SCOTUS Rulings, Prof Pape On Iran Deal Collapsing, NBA Vets Caught Gambling · 30 Jun 2026 podcast

That's right.

This is what I said back in March when we first started to say, which is they're playing a long game.

And what a long game means is just like with the North Vietnamese, they want to go at the soft underbelly of the United States in long war, which is those costs mount up.

And for many Americans, they don't see a vital interest.

It's not so much Americans are too soft.

It's they don't if there was an Iranian army in Mexico, I think this would be a different story.

But the fundamental problem here is if you just read any of the opinion polls or all the people I talked to, I talked to quite a few.

They don't see the vital interest here for the United States worth paying all these costs.

Iran certainly sees the vital interest because we have toppled their governments before.

We have just killed their supreme leader.

So my goodness, do they see a vital interest in having a nuclear weapon or just simply being a stronger and imposing these costs?

I that's why I'm saying I really think that between now and January, we're going to see there's a good chance those costs are going to go up.

And the point of the cost is not just to make America hurt.

The point of the cost will be to get America to truly leave the region.

Apparently, we've already moved our CAOC.

I understand that's a command center from Qatar, our air base in Qatar, over to the States.

Here, I think what Iran really wants here is America to truly leave the region and not just President Trump to say he's doing that for a week or two or a month or two.

They want this to happen in a substantial way.

And that means basically the American public has to be on board with that.

Absolutely, absolutely.

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