Robert Peston

You just do it, right?

Okay.

Anyway, let's put that to one side, right?

So I'm taking him at his word that he really wants to be bold.

And, you know, he says, and actually I did a podcast with him for ITV, actually, only a few weeks ago when I was out in the Gulf, where he made this argument, which is in and of itself a perfectly reasonable argument.

where he says, look, after the financial crisis, the reforms weren't radical enough.

It was an attempt to sort of get back to normal.

After Brexit, they tried to do the same.

After COVID, tried to do the same.

It's all been, in his views, incrementalism, not bold enough.

Yes, true.

And he says now...

We will be bold and rise to the challenge and reset.

And he says the reason this has dawned on him is because of Trump's war in Iran.

But that was my argument with him, right?

I just said, look, you know, Trump's war in Iran is a shock, right?

It's, you know, energy prices.

It's...

Absolutely throwing the whole of the Middle East into turmoil.

It's damaging economies across the world.