Robert Wright

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With that uh that little sermon um set aside, I would say
You know, you need to you know, it's like if we said, Well, can we have an arrangement like this with Britain?
We say, well, yeah.
I mean, yeah, sure.
It's a lot harder than nuclear weapons, but yeah, you can you can solve the problem with another country.
You know, it it depends on what kind of relationship you have.
It depends on uh whether you deem them deeply threatening, whether you feel a certain amount of trust.
And I don't mean trust in the sense of, oh, well, we'll just believe whatever they tell us.
I also mean like them trusting us enough to let our inspectors in and take a closer look at their data centers and and for us to exchange uh credible data on a regular basis.
All these things are possible.
But we have to start uh by putting the relationship on a different uh footing.
And I think, you know, the first thing to do there is abandon what I previously described as part of our foreign policy, which is wanting nations to be like us.
Telling them that if we're gonna have good relations, you know, you're gonna uh clean up, you're gonna have to like fix what we see as your human rights problems.
Even though, of course, if you said to us it's inexcusable to have this many people sleeping on the street at night homeless, we'd say none of your fucking business.
But still, we're gonna tell you the parts of your country that we don't like and you're gonna fix them, or we're gonna sanction you.
We just have to completely abandon that mindset.
Now, look, I think what's going on with the Uyghurs is horrible, but
We have no leverage over it.
And even the targeted sanctions wind up uh denying employment to innocent Uyghurs who, you know, w were not swept up in the thing in the first place.
And it just uh I I think so I I just think we have to
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