Robert Wright
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Nov 2024
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But in any event, uh he was he was very straightforward about that.
I'm not sure he mentioned China at all, but it there's no doubt that he was talking about China and that uh he embraces uh the chip war that uh that we have launched against China, uh, which for reasons I will give
Um so anyway, I DM'd you
Uh you replied with a link uh to some thoughts you had been developing on uh Google Doc, and there was some convergence of our views.
I'll I'll leave it to you to characterize your views, but it's safe to say that neither of us is China hawks.
And I think both of us worry a little about how rapidly China hawkism has become ascendant, um, not just in in foreign policy circles, you know, not just among
National security types who are just learning about AI, but among a lot of AI types, including some who are just learning about national security.
Um, and uh so I wanted to have you on to talk about this whole thing.
You it turns out you have, in the meanwhile, gone to this safety AI safety conference at Berkeley, where you participated in a war game who's a futuristic one.
I guess the premise is that uh there's AGI.
Guy.
Apparently, they didn't think highly enough of you for you to play the AGI, Nathan, but they they they found someone smarter.
Uh but but uh but that must I want to talk about that.
Um
But let me start out by asking I mean, you note, you report in the in the Google Doc recording your thoughts uh on the the Berkeley conference, that it's clear that China hawkism is dominant now.
And I I would like to start out by asking whether you have an explanation for like the dynamics behind that.
I mean, it was an interesting question to me two years ago before I was even thinking about AI because it was starting it had started to happen in in foreign policy circles.
But um
What are your thoughts on on the state of play there and how this came to be?
And if you have theories about why, what those are.
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