Roelof Botha

They don't take no for an answer, right?

Well, I think he was saying that a little bit tongue-in-cheek, right?

But this is a guy who backed Steve Jobs when Steve would walk around Sand Hill Road without shoes.

He'd come back from a trip to India.

Allegedly, he didn't smell too great.

And he was unusual, and nobody wanted to back him.

And Don wanted to find these underdogs, these unknown... Atari.

What?

Apparently, some of the Atari board meetings took place in hot tubs.

Yes.

By the way, that's how we got to Steve because Steve had worked at Atari.

That's how Don got the introduction to Steve.

So, I think part of the point he was trying to make is don't look for the people that went to all the right schools and wear the right clothes, all the conventional stuff.

Founders are unconventional.

These people change the world.

I mean, most of us encounter challenges every single day and we accommodate.

Well, I'll give you two examples.

One was in 2009 when I was in the funk.

I nearly quit the business.

I didn't know this, really.