Roger Lee

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Merryn Talks Money · What Is 'Manchesterism'— And Will It Boost Britain's Economy? · 3 Jul 2026 podcast

You could cut and paste levelling up his attack on the civil service.

That could have been Dominic Cummings standing there.

A lot of this is not different, it's just expressed perhaps in a more charismatic, authentic way.

But it really is just an extension of the state intervention that we've seen really since the financial crisis.

And if I may just step back a bit and why I am not only convinced that it is merely an extension of the existing state interventionism that we see at the moment or statism, it won't work.

But let's put this into some sort of historical context, Marion, if I may.

Now, I wish I'd written this.

I haven't.

I think it's Niall Ferguson now, certainly Professor Ferguson.

I think he had this great insight and he talks about the great arcs of political thinking in the UK.

And he talks about, you know, we came off the Second World War, we'd had this titanic victory.

and basically delivered by a state-controlled economy.

The state had beaten the enemy and then obviously in the immediate post-war period the state then decided it was going to protect its individuals and establish a welfare state and social services.

Now, so this idea of statism, the idea that the state can deliver everything

was enshrined really in those post-war areas and that carried on all the way through.

Through the 60s we had this one nation conservatism and that was not arguably, it wasn't actually that different to what the Labour Party were proposing in the 60s.

And of course this came to fruition in the 1970s where we obviously had a lot of state intervention.

This idea then that Ted Heath had in the early 70s that he couldn't allow

unemployment to go over a million million people and so therefore he ended up buying the Clyde shipyards and bailing out Rolls Royce etc etc and of course this culminated in the grim economic reality that we could not afford this level of state intervention and it culminated of course in 1976 with an IMF intervention which was the largest bailout the IMF had ever done at that point

And then, of course, we start the next great arc, which obviously is the competing theory that actually it's not the state that delivers growth.

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